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flopped fd vs small c/r - shove or flat?

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01-04-2010 , 08:21 AM

TheKitbag

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villain is 19/9/2 over 300 hands. flop c/r 10%
have seen him l/c and l/f before.

Prima Network $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (BTN): $215.20
SB: $79.00
BB: $131.83
UTG: $184.55
CO: $381.40

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 7

UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG calls $6

Flop: ($19.00) 5

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12.00, UTG raises to $28, Hero, ????

01-04-2010 , 08:34 AM

Greco

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He probably has a set/overpair. Just call in position and see the turn. You have no FE here but massive implied odds

01-04-2010 , 08:54 AM

alexuuus

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yeah, he gives you a good price to call... call and evaluate on turn

01-04-2010 , 09:16 AM

Greco

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if you turn a gut shot draw as well you can call turn a well as long as it's not a ridiculous bet

Last edited by Greco; 01-04-2010 at 09:21 AM.

01-04-2010 , 09:32 AM

derekl

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definitely have odds to call. just add it up?

01-04-2010 , 09:48 AM

RaisyDaisy87

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ez call on flop since we are in position, re-evaluate turn as greco said. however, you can't call that big of a bet on the turn because, imo, your hand is pretty face up when you peel turn again and hit the club on the river. you wouldnt call a c/r on flop and call a bet on the turn with a high pair would you?! i think that makes our calling range on the turn super polarized to either a draw or a mid pair and villian can act accordingly (note that I imply he knows a bit about hand reading, not sure if thats the case here)

01-04-2010 , 09:52 AM

Greco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RaisyDaisy87

That's true but if we turn a gutter then we should def call as this is our nut out. Also, even with the obvious flush draw we can still expect to extract some value on the river as we are in position. He may bet/fold the river or check and we can either jam or vb small.

If we still have the bare flush draw on the turn it's closer to a fold depending on sizing but I would still be tempted to call as it's so obvious he likes his hand/has a set over pair.

01-04-2010 , 10:38 AM

TheKitbag

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does nobody think his range is wider than sets/overpairs? Fwiw i dont think he has an overpair here ever.

He is 19/9 and has limp/called UTG

01-04-2010 , 12:04 PM

Greco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheKitbag

does nobody think his range is wider than sets/overpairs? Fwiw i dont think he has an overpair here ever.

He is 19/9 and has limp/called UTG

If you are implying that you think you have FE as his range is wider than sets/overpairs then I think it is being very optimistic.

01-05-2010 , 01:23 AM

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QuadLaser

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He always has a set. Hes a 19/sub-10 nit who limp called and c/"min"-raised.

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