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A few rush hands A few rush hands

04-02-2010 , 06:25 PM
no hud, no reads for all 3 hands...

#1 After the hand I thought, damn I should have checked turn and either bet or called river depending... but I feel like theres a ton of hands that are calling the turn bet that I'm ahead of still so I'm not sure. What do you guys feel is best? check turn, bet or call if he bets on river and assure getting to showdown, bet/fold turn or bet/call turn?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($139.40)
MP3 ($39.90)
CO ($86.20)
Button ($111.65)
SB ($181.35)
BB ($224.70)
Hero (UTG) ($103.15)
UTG+1 ($50)
MP1 ($85.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero bets $3.50, 4 folds, CO calls $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($14) 9, J, K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $10, 2 folds, BB calls $10

Turn: ($34) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22.50, BB raises to $45, Hero folds

Total pot: $79 | Rake: $3


#2 Pretty obv, dyou check or bet river. I think it's pretty standard up to river but am interested to hear any thoughts on the entire hand. If he shoved river I was gonna fold, I think his pre flatting range is JJ+, AK so i'm pretty crushed when he shoves...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($146.85)
MP3 ($119.55)
Hero (CO) ($100)
Button ($97)
SB ($105.10)
BB ($72.10)
UTG ($125.35)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($103.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 bets $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16.50, 1 fold, SB calls $16, 2 folds, MP2 calls $10.50

Flop: ($51.50) 10, 4, 10 (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($51.50) 3 (3 players)
SB bets $29, 1 fold, Hero calls $29

River: ($109.50) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero?

Total pot: $218.50 | Rake: $3


#3 His flop shove range is what? KK+, sets, flush draws? Anyone fold this?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($104.50)
SB ($158.95)
BB ($136.90)
Hero (UTG) ($109.20)
UTG+1 ($146.10)
MP1 ($85.85)
MP2 ($111.30)
MP3 ($39.70)
CO ($97.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero bets $3.50, UTG+1 calls $3.50, MP1 calls $3.50, MP2 calls $3.50, 5 folds

Flop: ($15.50) Q, 4, 7 (4 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG+1 raises to $142.60 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero calls $93.70 (All-In)

Turn: ($226.90) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($226.90) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $226.90 | Rake: $3
04-02-2010 , 07:45 PM
#1 - i think this is fine
#2 - why are we checking back flop? some sort of nitring thing? definitely bet flop, bet river like 55-60 for value from 99 type stuff
#3 - in 6 max i call i dunno if this should be a fold in full ring though. it definitely looks more like a spaz or draws with good equity
04-02-2010 , 08:21 PM
The following applies assuming no knowledge of players and rush poker format:

1 - I check turn and call riv assuming he bets. As it played (with turn bet), I do same as you.

2- I agree with above I bet flop. However as it plays out i am vbetting river whatever I think I can get villain to call. Prob push considering stack sizes.

3- I only fold there if I have prior knowledge of other player and can put him on a set with high probability. Against an unknown I am calling and holding on tight. If I had the A in my hand I am prob not folding regardless.

(But note my rush chart resembles a mountain range...I have not adapted much to reduce variance.)
04-02-2010 , 09:56 PM
Hands 1 and 3 I think I play the same, but I don't play FR and you are UTG...

Hand 2 there's not much point in betting that river against a range of JJ+, AK is there?
04-02-2010 , 10:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by members_only
Hands 1 and 3 I think I play the same, but I don't play FR and you are UTG...

Hand 2 there's not much point in betting that river against a range of JJ+, AK is there?
lol that was my 1st thought after re-reading the post. I had zero reads so maybe his range pre is a bit wider, lets pretend its 88+, AQ+ (which is generous considering the way these tbls play) I doubt 88, 99 ever call. ****, guess this is an easy check
04-02-2010 , 10:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Fish

1 - I check turn and call riv assuming he bets. As it played (with turn bet), I do same as you.
I misread the hand first time around. I play 1 as you played it.
04-02-2010 , 10:18 PM
bet river in two and rest are fine
04-03-2010 , 05:30 AM
It's been a while since I played rush fr but I can see vbetting turn with AA in hand one but snap fold to the raise on the turn. Hand two I wouldn't bet river because you can never have a bluff there but if I did bet I kind of like an overbet jam but I don't think enough people would be tempted to call with like 88 especially at fr. Hand three I fold aces on the flop to the raise. There's not enough in the pot to make me tempted to get it in.
04-03-2010 , 05:43 AM
Hand 1:

Seems fine to me.


Hand 2:

I think I'd shove the river and hope he calls with JX or 99/88 or something.


Hand 3:

Looks like a pretty easy call to me.
04-05-2010 , 12:50 AM
what, there is no way I'm checking hand 2 on the flop
they both have middle pairs in their range, and you're "cbetting" so there's a high chance they'll call the flop to hope that you have AK

we can somewhat discount KK+ because we'll get 4b sometimes

      
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