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Deep set bad turn Deep set bad turn

01-21-2008 , 02:39 AM
1/2 and we're deep! Villain is 19/14/2.5 so his cbetting and calling range isn't that wide here. b/c, c/c or c/f (or c/r)

BB: $191.45
UTG: $371.10
MP: $462.20
Hero (CO): $370.20
BTN: $502.85
SB: $44.30

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 6 6
1 fold, MP calls $2, Hero calls $2, BTN raises to $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6, MP calls $6, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($33.00) 6 3 J (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $30, BB folds, MP folds, Hero raises to $90, BTN calls $60

Turn: ($213.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero ?
01-21-2008 , 02:44 AM
Caramba, I prolly c/c once here. He may have though you were FOS and floated so it's not like he always has it when he bets (and he might wanna take a TP type hand to showdown). And of course we can suck out on the river. Obv valuebet the river if he checks behind (on a side note if you were in villains shoes how sick would checking behind on the turn with a flush be?) Also I don't wanna be results oriented but I prolly make it a cool hundo on the flop.
01-21-2008 , 02:46 AM
ugh very gross I guess c/c
01-21-2008 , 03:15 AM
I shove or just bet call. No way I'm getting away from this hand. I'm a tad concerned he could be on hearts, but this could easily be a stubborn overpair. JJ cooler. Hell it could be 33 just as easy.
No way I want him checking behind to second guess himself or a 4th heart to fall.

I need more reads than 19/14/2.5 to do anything else.

And c/calling is gross. Betting is optimal here.

Most TAGs aren't betting the flop so strong w/ top set here either. W/ a flush draw yes.....but ...mmmmmmm

Last edited by BGnight; 01-21-2008 at 03:22 AM.
01-21-2008 , 03:19 AM
He has JJ-AA almost always, bet 170/call shove
01-21-2008 , 03:19 AM
BG I don't think we get value from much shoving like 260 into 213; 19/14s know well enough to fold esp given the fact that if we were c/r semibluffing the flop our draw just got there. I could maybe see stacking AAx, KKx, and QQx, but that's maybe. I just don't see him calling enough when he's behind.

Edit: Actually, **** it. There are enough overpair + heart combos to bet/call here. I forgot about those when I first looked at the hand.
01-21-2008 , 03:20 AM
bet/call. Raise a little more on flop too I think
01-21-2008 , 03:26 AM
Xanta, I was messed up about shoving cuz I sucks at teh addition.

AAh and KKh are always checking behind here too.

      
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