warning: multiple hh's.

I just touched on this subject in the cheese but figured it'd be better in a thread.

The problem: I think I have a leak with JJ.

Basically I am lost when I call a 3bet with jacks. I'm down with them over the last 2 months and while it might be variance, it might also be a leak. I picked out 4 hands, all from 200NL. Please tell me if I'm doing something wrong here.

Hand #1: villain is unknown

MP3 ($22.60)
CO ($312.70)
BTN ($198.00)
SB ($198.00) (Hero)
BB ($200.00)
MP2 ($100.00)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
3 folds, Hero raises to $8.00, BB raises to $24.00, Hero calls $16.00,
Flop: 8, 4, 8 ( $51 )
Hero checks, BB bets $27.00, Hero raises to $129.00, BB raises All-In $176.00, Hero calls All-In $45.00

Hand #2: villain is 18/6/4

BTN ($204.58)
SB ($406.80)
BB ($237.82)
MP2 ($198.40) (Hero)
MP3 ($64.84)
CO ($117.50)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J
Hero raises to $7.00, 2 folds, BTN raises to $24.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $17.00,
Flop: 9, 5, 2 ( $51 )
Hero bets $34.00, BTN calls $34.00,
Turn: 5 ( $119 )
Hero checks, BTN checks,
River: 8 ( $119 )
Hero checks, BTN bets $50.00, Hero calls $50.00

Hand #3: villain is 37/22/1.5

BB: $190
Hero (UTG): $229.20
CO: $40
BTN: $231.60
SB: $198
Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $18
Flop: ($53) 6 T 9 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $35, BB raises to $100, Hero raises to $203.20 and is All-In

Hand #4: villain is 17/11/10

Hero (CO): $194.05
BTN: $214.25
SB: $240
BB: $245.45
UTG: $121.05
MP: $32
Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, BTN folds, SB raises to $27, BB folds, Hero calls $19
Flop: ($56) 2 6 7 (2 Players)
SB bets $37, Hero calls $37
Turn: ($130) 6 (2 Players)
SB bets $66, Hero folds

Fwiw, I don't think I have an image in any of those hands and I've been playing my normal TAG style. There's no metagame involved.

Thanks for reading, and thanks for your feedback!

I don't donk in hand 2 but I think these are all played ok.

4 is fine. 3 is fine. 2 i'd prolly fold the river as weak/tight as that sounds, you're pretty much ahead of exactly TT. Hand 1 is goot.

hand 1: super standard

hand 2: c/c flop and fold if he fires turn

hand 3: super standard

hand 4: wp

I fold the 2nd one preflop and play the 4th for stacks in a steal situation.

Those are all fine, hand 2 you should fold pre actually...

hand 2 - I guess an 18/6/4's reraising range is as tight as they get - I'd probably fold pf or play for set value only. I don't think a player who raises 6% of his hands reraises much wider than KK+

Agree, when an 18/6 3-bets your UTG raise, just get out. Other 3 are fine, in hand 4 you can sometimes play for stacks with his AF.

Banned?

hand 1 is fine if you've got a wacky image/stats, but if you're a standard TAG, I call once and fold to further action.

hand 2 I hate every street except the turn tbh.

Can't find a fold in hand 1 against unknown in bvb.

Hand 2 I can find a fold, I thought it was 18/16/4. Against an 18/6/4 you can fold preflop.

scratch that, hand 1 is fine in BvB against an unknown. Misread the PF action.

About hand 4. Villain could easily have JJ-88, FD or being ******ed with AK or something. He has a high AF, in a steal situation I can't find a fold here.

I wish... just ignored.

Hand 1: Either shove flop or raise smaller. Your raise size is effectively a shove. Since his c-bet is on the smaller side, I like raising the flop to around $70 to give him a sense of having some fold equity and give him a chance to 3-bet shove w/worse.

Hand 2: Yea, as said by everyone else, pre-flop is pretty thin unless you know he won't c-bet the flop w/a whiffed AK, and this info is pretty hard to gain on a player.

Hand 3: Looks fine, I'm can't talk myself into folding against such an aggro player.

Hand 4: I'm not folding here. Shoving flop is a valid option.

Allright, cool, thanks for the replies so far.

So apart from having to fold hand 2 preflop vs such a tight player (which I agree with), I guess I don't really have a serious leak?

Calling a 3-bet with JJ and then playing for stacks with a naked overpair is generally OK - as is peeling one off and folding the turn to a second bullet sometimes? Everytime I do it, it feels so spewy, especially since I have been running into higher overpairs 9 out of 10 times. I guess I can blame it to variance.

These stats seem like they're a small sample size given the high aggression factors, so I'm not sure how reliable they are. With that said, 1 is fine but I wouldn't raise so much on the flop. I'd make it $70 or so and call a shove. Raising huge makes it obvious you're committed and leaves little room for villain to make a mistake. If he felts 99/TT he is just as likely to do so against a smaller raise, but when you c/r to $70 he might decide to shove AK/AQ or something that he wouldn't have done otherwise.

Hand 2 I fold pre if the stats are even somewhat reliable. I hate the flop donk and as played you don't beat any of his range on the river really so I fold. I think he has QQ an overwhelming majority of the time, also.

Hand 3 isn't bad. People love to checkraise draws after 3betting, especially on these kinds of boards. I like checking the flop though and jamming the turn more, however.

Hand 4 is fine, turn fold is good as is the flop peel.

1 and 2 I think are good.

3 I fold to the C/R

4 I probably stack off on the flop / turn.