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03-12-2014 , 02:30 PM

whiteowls

centurion

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Table just broke into HU & my opponent is a somewhat nitty player. Im trying to represent an over pair that can get folds from TP like hands (AJ,KJ,QJ) or even 99-TT by the river. How do you guys feel about the bet sizing? I tried to leave myself a near pot sized bet for the river to make his decision tougher. I want to know how plausible my range of over pairs looks here? Would you fold against this action from my 3betting range of 6%?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24794521

Hero (BB): $274.03 (274 bb)
SB: $105.39 (105.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

SB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $5.50

Flop: ($16) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $10, SB calls $10

Turn: ($36) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $21, SB calls $21

River: ($78) 6

(2 players)

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Would you fire the last $67? or call the last $67 if you were the villain?

03-12-2014 , 02:45 PM

Griffey24

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 899

Maybe it's just me but I think the fact that table just broke changes the dynamic a lot. Villain could easily be thinking you are re-stealing light pre, before you both quit the table. Given that I don't really like a bluff here.

All that being said, your hand is fine to call pre no?

03-12-2014 , 05:24 PM

Apoccd10I

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,333

your 3betting range should not be 6% or even close to it

preflop is really bad, c/f river

03-12-2014 , 06:46 PM

Mr Blonde

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Flat preflop x flop

03-12-2014 , 07:38 PM

dannydaman

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Agree with mr blonde

03-12-2014 , 10:06 PM

Lazaro

old hand

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It really just looks like we are compounding one bad play after another for essentially no reason.

03-13-2014 , 11:39 AM

DTD

veteran

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,326

meh, you want to 3-bet a lot but prob not as far as A5o, though if villain is nitty and will most likely leave soon and play like a big girl's blouse in the meantime then it can't be a bad mistake.

I think post flop is OK, as is jamming the river.

03-13-2014 , 12:51 PM

Mr.Position

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Why is 3-betting a blocker A rag hand IP BvB terrible?

03-13-2014 , 01:14 PM

whiteowls

centurion

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I felt I would be able to collect dead money I created by getting a fold by the river. This might be horrible logic but its what was running through my head at the time after he called the flop.

03-13-2014 , 04:21 PM

#10

kerwinty

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heads up first few hands I don't think he folds enough tbh.

03-13-2014 , 06:12 PM

#11

Franchise804

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Flat pre

As played ship river

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03-13-2014 , 06:12 PM

#12

Franchise804

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Position

Why is 3-betting a blocker A rag hand IP BvB terrible?

Too weak to gii pre, too strong to fold to a 4bet

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03-14-2014 , 01:58 AM

#13

Mr Blonde

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Lol you guys do realise we have ace high preflop, wtf

03-14-2014 , 02:06 PM

#14

Griffey24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Position

Why is 3-betting a blocker A rag hand IP BvB terrible?

I would hate it less IP.. but unfortunately we're OOP.

03-14-2014 , 03:20 PM

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Franchise804

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Blonde

Lol you guys do realise we have ace high preflop, wtf

This is in regard to why we should be calling, I assume?

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03-14-2014 , 03:40 PM

#16

Apoccd10I

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Franchise804

Too weak to gii pre, too strong to fold to a 4bet

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a5o should be snapfolded to a 4bet in this case.

alot of hands are too weak to 3b/jam and 3b/call, but should still be 3bet for board coverage and "value" (raw playability) and examples of this would be say 87s and KJo.

03-14-2014 , 05:06 PM

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Mr Blonde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Franchise804

This is in regard to why we should be calling, I assume?

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Yeh its a pretty clear flat

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