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09-12-2013 , 05:57 AM
Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2304472
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UTG: $123.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1,9, Hands: 1036
CO: $100.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 9, AF: 5,0, Hands: 1020
Hero (BTN): $100.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 9, AF: 3,8, Hands: 244580
SB: $100.50 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 1,3, Hands: 611
BB: $114.10 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 23, 3B: 12, AF: 1,9, Hands: 450

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with T A
2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.00) J A 9 (2 players)
SB checks

I have 2 question about this hand.

1) What is your flatting range in SB position with a fish in the BB vs a button reg(depend a lot on the reg and the fish but as standard?)

I think this would be mine : TT-22,AJs-ATs,A5s-A2s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,AJo-ATo,KTo+

This is include hands like TT/AJo because I think there's a lot of value to flat this so we can play vs the fish. This also means that our 3b range is verry polorized in this situation.

What do you think about my flatting range?

2)
I think this flop hit his range verry well. Think we shouldn't cb to much in on this flop vs most regs, because he can easy ch/r with 100% of his range.
Do you like ch back flop?
09-12-2013 , 07:27 AM
I would xb flop
09-12-2013 , 08:54 AM
If you think villain c/r too much in these spots (like you say) this is a hand you want to be valuebetting.

Range i'm flatting in sb would depend on your steal/ft3b/4b%.
Most of the times btn opener's steal/ft3b% is too high to 3bet dominating hands, especially with the fish in the BB. Making it more profitable to flat those hands.
09-12-2013 , 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coinflips_lol
If you think villain c/r too much in these spots (like you say) this is a hand you want to be valuebetting.
If you value bet this flop and think villain x/r too much then you should be looking to get it in when he x/r

There are lots of hands in our range that are much stronger than AT that we can play back at x/r with such as sets, 2 pair, strong draws etc

You would value bet this flop if you think villain will call too much, not raise.
09-12-2013 , 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fabius maximus
If you value bet this flop and think villain x/r too much then you should be looking to get it in when he x/r

There are lots of hands in our range that are much stronger than AT that we can play back at x/r with such as sets, 2 pair, strong draws etc

You would value bet this flop if you think villain will call too much, not raise.
First you say "get it in when villain c/r too much" then you say you should value bet this flop if you think villain calls too much, not raise".

From game theory point of view you want to vbet thinner if someone is check/raising too often. Hero thinks villain could be check/raising "100%", this makes it an automatic cbet imo.
09-12-2013 , 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coinflips_lol
First you say "get it in when villain c/r too much" then you say you should value bet this flop if you think villain calls too much, not raise".

From game theory point of view you want to vbet thinner if someone is check/raising too often. Hero thinks villain could be check/raising "100%", this makes it an automatic cbet imo.
Could, we don't know him atm.
09-12-2013 , 09:49 AM
start with a bet obv
09-12-2013 , 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coinflips_lol
First you say "get it in when villain c/r too much" then you say you should value bet this flop if you think villain calls too much, not raise".
Get it in with strong hands, not TPMK. What are you going to do if you face a x/r with this hand?

The point is, if villain x/r a lot rather than calls then you should adjust by polarising your betting range so you don't get blown off medium strength hands.

Quote:
From game theory point of view you want to vbet thinner if someone is check/raising too often. Hero thinks villain could be check/raising "100%", this makes it an automatic cbet imo.
Have you studied economics or maths?

Don't just throw around the term game theory and then say your opponent is doing something "too often"

And villain is obviously not going to x/r 100% of his preflop calling range.
09-12-2013 , 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fabius maximus
Get it in with strong hands, not TPMK. What are you going to do if you face a x/r with this hand?

The point is, if villain x/r a lot rather than calls then you should adjust by polarising your betting range so you don't get blown off medium strength hands.



Have you studied economics or maths?

Don't just throw around the term game theory and then say your opponent is doing something "too often"

And villain is obviously not going to x/r 100% of his preflop calling range.
Obviously we are just betting here because we want value. If villain is check/raising too much many flops we obviously have the best hand a big % of the time. Besides that villain will often just call with worse hands and NOT just check/raise his draws.

Why would i have studied economics or maths?
09-12-2013 , 11:40 AM
Against his x/r stackingsrange we don't get the odds

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.937% 24.02% 00.92% 3804 146.00 { AhTh }
Hand 1: 75.063% 74.14% 00.92% 11744 146.00 { 99, AJs, A9s, KcQc, KcTc, QTs, AJo }

We also don't have that much FE I think.

We don't loose value vs Jx Ax, those hand are max calling 1 street I think(so we can also get this on turn).
09-12-2013 , 11:40 AM
What about my first question: what is your flatting range here?

      
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