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10-03-2009 , 03:53 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($295)
BB ($496)
UTG ($203)
CO ($200)
BTN ($278)

Dealt to Hero 7 6

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4

FLOP ($12) 3 8 9

Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

TURN ($28) 3 8 9 J

Hero bets $22, BB calls $22

RIVER ($72) 3 8 9 J A

Hero bets $55

villain was 40/28, 2.6AF

what do you think of my bluff?
10-04-2009 , 09:18 AM
opinions?
10-04-2009 , 11:26 AM
I'm trying to do this less in blind v blind hands because it seems like I get looked up way more than usual.

But with that said you can't ask for much better turn and river cards to bluff with.
10-04-2009 , 11:29 AM
how is turn a good card? doesnt it give a lot of his range a pair+gutter?
10-04-2009 , 11:32 AM
it's a perfect run off, villain's calling range is wide. I dunno, I think you're costing yourself too much (and inflating the pot with RIO with your draw) on the turn and river, but it looks completely reasonable in principle.

If I were to bluff here I'd probably be betting a click or two over half-pot on the turn/river, you need that to work a LOT less often to be +EV, and you'll move him off 9x kind of hands, guttery crap, weak Jx that was drawing on the flop, flush draws, etc.

also it would be horrible to be the J without planning to barrel a good river, and if you don't think the a small river bluff is +EV you can probably just c/f turn.

overbetting is also certainly an option if you think it will reliably constrict his calling range. I suck at those still though, any other opinions?

for the record, if you have a super aggro bvb dynamic or BB is a mega-fish, shutting down on the turn is probably optimal without a value hand or a better value+draw hand.
10-04-2009 , 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrub
how is turn a good card? doesnt it give a lot of his range a pair+gutter?
yea, if i 2nd barrel, i have to 3barrel
10-04-2009 , 01:37 PM
i like
10-04-2009 , 01:47 PM
bold
10-04-2009 , 01:52 PM
this river in particular is fine, but i dont really like the plan of firing 2 and then 3 barrels here on most rivers against a fishy type opponent. the reason its good against a regular imo is because people generally dont barrel this turn too light so 3 barrels will probably get a lot of folds. but a fish isnt going to be aware of these things and will probably just click call twice with A9 or whatever, particularly because there are 2 FDs out and he can just say to himself you have a missed flush draw. (im assuming you were barreling most rivers and not just counting on the Ac coming out? i mean i think firing on a blank river is going to be bad and most rivers are going to be blank, ergo i dont like the second barrel because hes obviously folding nothing to that)

pretty rambly on my part but hopefully i got my point across
10-04-2009 , 01:53 PM
also your draw is horrendous and you probably have like 5% equity against his range on the turn
10-04-2009 , 02:03 PM
I don t like the turn barrel!
the turn is not a good card to barrel so I'd just give it up ...
Though, The river card is a good card to bluff (if u have an agro image) and
there's not many Aces in vilain 's range.
So I like the river barrel
10-04-2009 , 02:11 PM
also, I only like this against a donkey. Against a reasonable hand reader this is just monkey spew. I don't know how many reasonable hand readers you play though.
10-04-2009 , 02:14 PM
I don't like it, the jack and ace fall well into his range and he's a station.
10-04-2009 , 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdem_lol
yea, if i 2nd barrel, i have to 3barrel
your doing it wrong
10-04-2009 , 02:31 PM
Defo keep barelling calling stations IMo the only way to make them fold.
10-04-2009 , 03:28 PM
What about... folding pre
10-04-2009 , 03:38 PM
fold pre and c/f turn yeah

obv cant hate it too much in a vacuum but this is just way too loose
10-04-2009 , 03:47 PM
What does on a vacuum mean exacty, and also WTF does grunch mean?
10-04-2009 , 03:50 PM
in a vacuum means if we look at this hand without context it might be an ok bluff. But if we think bout our own range here we would see that bluffing as weak as this is just too much and we can't balance that with enough value hands.
10-04-2009 , 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gullanian
What does on a vacuum mean exacty, and also WTF does grunch mean?
grunch = don't read other responses in the thread, just dive in and post your thoughts

it's in the FAQ iirc
10-04-2009 , 07:36 PM
I didn't know what Grunch meant either. I think the board ran off good for a river bluff. I don't know if I am barreling that turn card though.
10-04-2009 , 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdem_lol
yea, if i 2nd barrel, i have to 3barrel
I agree. This just sets you up too perfectly for you not to triple barrel.
10-04-2009 , 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveh07
I agree. This just sets you up too perfectly for you not to triple barrel.
the reason is obv that there r a ton of draws in his range
10-04-2009 , 08:49 PM
pretty good
10-04-2009 , 08:54 PM
results:
he called w/ Q9

      
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