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Big Draw Push??? Big Draw Push???

10-12-2008 , 02:04 PM
1-2 NL 200 max buyin casino game.

UTG (175) calls 2
MP (210) calls 2
CO (375) raises to 10
Button (350) Hero Calls 10 with 35
SB folds
BB (350) calls along with all limpers

Prefop pot 40.

Flop: 46J

BB checks
UTG bets 15
MP calls 15
Hero calls 15
SB check raises to 100
UTG folds
CO folds
Hero: Fold, Call, Raise or Push?
10-12-2008 , 02:09 PM
fold pre, raise flop, meh i guess shove now.

sb is awesome for c/ring this flop after he folded preflop btw. i want coaching from him.
10-12-2008 , 02:12 PM
Just push the flop when it's your action the first time.
10-12-2008 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by educated
1-2 NL 200 max buyin casino game.

SB folds
BB (350) calls along with all limpers

Prefop pot 40.

Flop: 46J


SB check raises to 100
UTG folds
CO folds
Hero: Fold, Call, Raise or Push?
Just push and tell the support that the hand was rigged.
(I think I fold here.)
10-12-2008 , 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzsenaj
Just push and tell the support that the hand was rigged.
(I think I fold here.)
you fold... lol
10-12-2008 , 04:48 PM
fold pf.
raise flop to 70-80.
shove over sb's raise as played.

You still have ~42% equity vs a set.
10-12-2008 , 05:18 PM
raise the flop, shove if reraised, you have a monster hand. and plenty of fold equity vs. Jx hands.
10-12-2008 , 05:24 PM
Just get it in. The SB is clearly bluffing.
10-12-2008 , 05:24 PM
pf is fine with the right game dynamic. the limpers aren't folding or raising, at least one of the blinds will probably come along, so you are getting 4+-1 on this call. Plus we got da button!

raise the flop 1000%, and raise it large. You absolutely do not want to have higher flush draws around.
10-12-2008 , 06:54 PM
I called preflop because of game conditions and the button. Specifically, two of the players in the hand have a very hard time folding a hand and had fairly large stacks.

After the bb check-raises to 100 all folded to me, I shoved and he snapped called. He had 64 for bottom two pair. The turn was 9 making my hand and the river was the K.

I then got a lecture from the old fella about how awful my play was in the hand and that when I shoved my chips in I had very little chance to win the hand. I found that really funny but told him that I was glad that I got lucky then and apologized for winning the hand. LOL
10-12-2008 , 09:52 PM
sb folded pre and c/r, you have to have a strong made hand to even risk retrieving your cards from the muck in this situation, just fold
10-12-2008 , 10:05 PM
alright guys, the sb joke is over.
10-12-2008 , 10:13 PM
Calling pf IP is not that bad if OP knew that the limpers would call.

If you don't jam this on the flop then you must hate money.. regardless of how many call you, your equity depending on how you perceive others play their FDs is always going to be worth the push.
10-13-2008 , 01:49 AM
3-bet or fold PF
10-13-2008 , 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBowskii
you fold... lol
Yes, the way the hand was played I fold.
But I would have raised the flop...
10-13-2008 , 08:38 AM
pushing here requires two things to be (very) profitable, I think:

- that you have fold equity
- that higher draws fold to your aggression

I don't think there exists much FE when SB raises to 100 after a bet and two calls. He's clearly looking for action.

Without any fold equity it's kind of neutral to push here, I think (I would have to stove it to be sure). EV:?, Variance: ++++

      
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