Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (SB): $233.60
BB: $1080.95
UTG: $252.45
MP: $99.65
CO: $329.85
BTN: $110.55

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with K A
2 folds, CO raises to $6, BTN calls $6, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, CO raises to $42, 1 fold, [color=red]Hero ??

vs 45/30 over 20 hands

This is a shove right ?
But is he really ever 4bet bluffing here or with a weaker hand ? with the 1 player in the middle also..(who was unkown)

This is an easy shove since your line looks like the most blatent squeeze play ever. I think you get looked up by like 77+, AQ+ here.

You likely never get it in good when you shove here, but villain will fold x% of the time ... so maybe a math guy can figure out the money in the pot that you can win if he folds versus the times he calls w/ a range consisting of JJ+/AK.

I'd estimate that it's likely +ev to shove (though it will likely depend a lot on villains bluffing range), it just seems bad to squeeze/fold AK to the CO.

Yes, it's a shove. Sucks to run into AA.

vs an unknown with this action preflop,


get this in

I hate ak, and I think 3-betting with ak only gets you into awkward spots like this. Just flat the opening raise and play a flop in position... that's my opinion. As is... eithor fold then and there or call and play a flop... I think you are deep enough to warrent this. I mean what range do you put him on to be 4-bet folding in this spot. If you shove you are risking a whole stack on a coinflip.... I prefer better spots than coinflips for all the marbles. The pot odds are not that great to warrant a shove imo.

somebody ban him for all threads but

-NVG
-BBV
-Nanostakes

It's a forum for opinions, if you don't agree with me thats fine but there is no need for you to be rude and disrespectful.

LOL 17 posts

lol at xionic

i actually find ozmosis' posts to be quite interesting. whats wrong with having different opinions on the same hand?

that said, this shove is mandatory

it's good to have different opinions but his play surely isn't the most +EV play

as played get it in

i saw regs 4bet/calling A9 vs me here lol

Shove, expect a lot of folds and to have at least 40% equity when called.

The min 4-bet does change the situation from standard, but not enough to move this to anything other than a shove. The main diff with the smaller 4-bet is that i would expect to see hands like AQ and mid pp's a little less than normal in this spot, but in complement to this, I would expect villain to be bluffing a larger % of the time.

Giving villain a value range of TT+, AK+ means that we need him to fold 25% to break even. Given the likely width of his CO opening range (not based on this sample, but based off of a standard CO range), the fact that he'll flat AA/KK some non-zero% and that you look like you're squeezing a decent amount.......ship shipetty ship ship ship.

Also, for those who think this isn't a shove, just consider how profitable it would be for villain to min 4-bet here with his entire range. He is risking 36 to win 38. Even if we only squeeze KK+ and AK+ (we would be missing out on soooo much by not squeezing more obv), folding AK here would result in us folding 16 of the 28 combos of hands we squeeze.

He'd be making 1.5bbs vs the tightest possible assignable range. Vs all but the absolute worst opponents, being this badly exploitable would be very costly.