What's your line here? C/f?
If we're IP and Villain checks, the best line is probably to check behind and fold to a reasonable turn bet, right?
Oh, and Villain is running 29/11/1.6 over 400 hands

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $200.00
UTG: $100.00
MP: $270.75
CO: $160.25
BTN: $238.00
SB: $319.10

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with A K
1 fold, MP raises to $7, 1 fold, BTN raises to $24, 1 fold, Hero raises to $58, 1 fold, BTN calls $34

Flop: ($124.00) 7 4 J (2 players)
Hero...

I usually c/f here, villain will probably convince themselves into calling a shove/bet with 88-TT.

In position I'd check it back as well.

yeah i think this has to be a c/f, what about not 4 betting pre, i tend to find players with those sort of stats don't 3 bet light much at all.

I don't like calling 2 raises OOP. My hand screams strength in that case and it's kinda hard to extract anything when I hit.

ugh my bad, thought you were original raiser. nh, but i probably make it a little more OOP with the 4 bet like 70?

Villain is quite passive PF, and will prob just call TT-. This leaves only {JJ+,AK}.

JJ (3)
QQ (6)
AA (1)
KK (1)
AK (4)

less weight on {KK+,AK} because sometimes he slowplays them, sometimes 5-bets.

JJ+ he will call always, you have 15% EQ vs 11 combinations. Assuming he always folds AK:
EV = (-80*11 + 4*124) / 15 = -25

Check-folding looks better. IP I check behind for the same reason.

c/f looks good imo

nh

I see everyone is in the c/f camp against this 29/11/1.6 villain, but what about a 24/20/2.5 villain with 6% 3bet PF? Would you say that making a bigger 4bet PF and shoving flop is the best line? If not, what is?

Yes, check/fold.

I think if you are going to c/f most flops that you miss (60% of the time) vs these villains, you better have both villains fold to 3bet% / and fold to 4bet% up on your HUD and consider that before cold 4betting PF. If they aren't folding a major % of the time preflop, then 4betting preflop and c/f a missed flop is a horrible play.

so, what are MP's stats here? I think that is the decisive factor in whether you should 4-bet. A 29/11 guy will three bet light from the button, but he's not gonna do it against a 13/10 guy or a newbie. That would be all the more reason to not 4-bet pre here.

You should probably make your 4-bet a little larger. I think you need to be doing it here with your intention geared toward pf FE, so make it larger and make your opponent feel like needs to 5-bet now and not just flat.

On the flop, any bet is going to commit you and since his range is skewed more toward high pairs as opposed to AK/AQ, and the only hand you realistically take out at this point is 1010, I think you hae c/f, I don't see good equity here in leading this flop.

What other options do we have? Calling and folding are pretty bad

That's a good point, it's just that, if MP's stats are tight already, and you have this 29/11 guy RRing his UTG raise, I mean, what are you hoping to accomplish with AK here when you 4-bet? Take it down pf? Stack? How often is that going to happen?

Ahgo

Why is calling so bad? Yes your out of position, and you miss 60% of flops, but is that worse than 4 betting 1/4 of your stack PF and then c/f 60% of flops? If an A or K hits, you often get 1 more bet out of TT-QQ. I think a call or even a fold is not horrible.

Once you 4bet, you fold out all worse hands, leaving you a calling range of pocket pairs and AK. On the flop, either you miss and c/f 60% of the time, or an A or K flops and you either fold out JJ-QQ, split with AK, or get stacked by AA as an overpair or KK as a set.

I think if you do 4bet with these stacks, you should probably be doing it to $90ish, with the intention of calling a shove PF, or shoving just about any flop yourself if they call and see a flop, hopefully bluffing AK out of the pot.

I'm sure that is