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AK 3bets.  Hows this delayed 2 barrel bluff? AK 3bets.  Hows this delayed 2 barrel bluff?

11-03-2009 , 05:59 PM
villain is a 24/16 reg. He seems to have a pretty wide opening range from all positions. might call too much PF and a little passive postflop ie. misses some spots he could value bet. we are on 2 tables together.

i had been 3betting frequently (altho this was the first time ive 3bet this villain and i think 1st time i've 3bet any utg raiser. on our other table i 3bet a late pos open with KK in the BB, and ch/rai on a low flop to stack a guy witha smaller pair. not sure if villain noticed any of that tho. i was running at 26/22/4




BTN: $206.80
Hero (SB): $208.40
BB: $201
UTG: $427.50
CO: $200

Pre Flop: ($3) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $28, 1 fold, UTG calls $18

Flop: ($58) 3 6 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks
i didnt bet flop because i dont think hes goin to fold any part of his 3bet-calling range and i expect him to check back all his smaller pairs - so i may get a free shot at my 6-outer

Turn: ($58) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $36, UTG calls $36

River: ($130) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $144.40 all in

what do u think?
11-03-2009 , 06:01 PM
really bad. Not sure what you're thinking. There's no way he folds aq/kq/etc and i wouldn't hold my breath against jj/tt/99.
11-03-2009 , 06:03 PM
fail i think...

>>i didnt bet flop because i dont think hes goin to fold any part of his 3bet-calling range and i expect him to check back all his smaller pairs - so i may get a free shot at my 6-outer

but would you ever play qq/aa/kk like that because thats what you are repping and it doesnt add up. 3bet pot + line makes no sense + pair = villain calls. ...
11-03-2009 , 06:05 PM
I would like this much more if it were the 3rd shot...
11-03-2009 , 06:08 PM
well i put him squarely on 77-JJ

like i said, i dont know if he noticed it, but i ch/r flops after 3betting with big pairs way more often than most regs.

i agree that the turn bet alone is pretty lol but how about but turn + river together? (if called on turn, i was planning to shove any river)
11-03-2009 , 06:11 PM
I like it to be honest, think he folds enough here
11-03-2009 , 06:26 PM
I like it much better than bluffing the flop & the turn, although u are repping a very small range unless you frequently decline to c-bet overpairs on these kind of flops (basically you are repping 99, AQ and occasionally AA).

You say this guy is passive, but is he passive enough to check back with JJ or TT on that dry flop very often? If not, then his turn call is worrisome. The thing I would be worried about most, is that the range you are repping actually fits his play better than yours. And additionally, if you are very aggro (which I'm guessing you are), he might peel the 3-bet with 33 or 66 as well and just be waiting for you to valuetown yourself.

I don't know....the shove might be +EV, but I think it's thin (unless you're a UB superuser and can see he has AcKc).

Edit 2: Didn't catch the part about you having a habit of c/r'ing big PP on the flop. I think that makes the play better, obv.

Last edited by Mackerel; 11-03-2009 at 06:33 PM. Reason: changed your to you're to avoid wrath of grammar nazis
11-03-2009 , 06:34 PM
I think it's a bad turn card to try this move. However, if you think he would fold TTJJ when this turn hits then it's a good play
11-03-2009 , 07:42 PM
that queen is like the single worst card for u to do this on.
11-03-2009 , 07:48 PM
explain?
what cards are better besides the obv A/K?

i mean board is completely dry so i can't be on a draw, so villain wont look me up lighter due to that
11-03-2009 , 07:51 PM
anything that isnt a queen.

literally, anything. Maybe not a 9, but, probably still a 9 is better.
11-03-2009 , 08:07 PM
why? sorry if its obvious, im just not seeing your logic
11-03-2009 , 09:00 PM
Great job repping AK.
11-03-2009 , 09:08 PM
well ur repping AQ but i think he has AQ and KQ a lot himself here, which doesnt help.
11-03-2009 , 10:14 PM
ok gotcha.
but i think he 4bets AK a large % of the time and i think he folds AQ some % of the time. KQ folds even more often. But i suspect villain (and most tag regs) nearly always flat the 3b with 66-JJ, assuming they dont fold.
And even this guy would bet QQ on the flop. so i was pretty confident he had like TT-JJ.
11-03-2009 , 11:01 PM
im missing the logic behind betting QQ but not TT on this flop..
11-03-2009 , 11:47 PM
villains had checked back a lot of hands earlier in the match that were def ahead of his opponents range. im not saying its good/correct and i would never ake that distinction myself. and i dont know if he was being tricky or was just really weak and fearing a ch/r - just that this particular guy plays that way
11-04-2009 , 12:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cs3
villains had checked back a lot of hands earlier in the match that were def ahead of his opponents range. im not saying its good/correct and i would never ake that distinction myself. and i dont know if he was being tricky or was just really weak and fearing a ch/r - just that this particular guy plays that way
sounds like he could have kings too then?

and nines have a set. whoops.
11-04-2009 , 12:42 AM
hell look at eastern motors hand cs3. I played with him like a year ago and he isn't even a spewy/overly aggro/bad reg.

      
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