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AK 3bet pot OOP vs. big fish + a tag-a-long...Postflop line??? AK 3bet pot OOP vs. big fish + a tag-a-long...Postflop line???

02-03-2010 , 06:09 PM
I hate these spots. Original PFR'r is a big fish, 80/23/23% 3bet (all min 3bets) over about 170 hands. Fold to 3bet 33% but only 6 opportunities. Postflop, he had both bet and called bets postflop with air or with vague draws and any types of pairs. Other villain is relatively unknow, but probably L/P, 30/8 over 35 hands.

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $240.13
Hero (SB): $102.05
BB: $146.00
UTG: $432.80
CO: $43.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $5, CO calls $5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, UTG calls $20, CO calls $20

Flop: ($76.00) 4 4 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($76.00) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

River: ($76.00) A (3 players)
Hero ???,
02-03-2010 , 06:13 PM
just shove. fish will most likely call with a worse ace. If one of those 2 rivered a flush they deserve your moneys.
02-03-2010 , 09:12 PM
Regarding flop play: Check flop, bet really small, or ship it?
02-03-2010 , 09:21 PM
Yah I'm just jamming. worse As call all day
02-03-2010 , 09:26 PM
Any reason for not betting the flop? Don't see any reason to suspect you have the worst hand here, bet 30bb for value or just jam hoping opponent calls with Ax
02-03-2010 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jingoes
Any reason for not betting the flop? Don't see any reason to suspect you have the worst hand here, bet 30bb for value or just jam hoping opponent calls with Ax
Because I suck ...Seriously though, I couldn't see how I could be ahead of both villains here on such a small raggy board...I felt I had little to no fold equity...maybe I am underestimating my fold equity if I were to have shoved it, but I think that a $30-35 bet folding to a push (after putting in over half my stack) is just really bad spew?
02-04-2010 , 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by justbrewit
Because I suck ...Seriously though, I couldn't see how I could be ahead of both villains here on such a small raggy board...I felt I had little to no fold equity...maybe I am underestimating my fold equity if I were to have shoved it, but I think that a $30-35 bet folding to a push (after putting in over half my stack) is just really bad spew?
I understand what you're saying, however betting say $35 and getting pushed in by UTG would still give you odds of about 4.5/1 to call. I think we can discount any 4 from villain's range, his likely holdings would be 1010, jj, qq, meaning you still have 6 outs and are getting the right price on the call. Although I agree it does seem rather spewy.

How did you end up playing the river and what did he have?
02-04-2010 , 09:59 AM
3bet even more pre flop if UTG doesn't fold to 3bets. Maybe shove pre flop?
02-04-2010 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur
3bet even more pre flop if UTG doesn't fold to 3bets. Maybe shove pre flop?
Shoving makes me want to spew. It's a cash game, not a tournament. No hand should be 3 bet shoving over 100bbs preflop.
02-04-2010 , 10:22 AM
Yeah prob just ship flop, as played ship river.
02-04-2010 , 10:43 AM
jam the flop its not close.

jam river.
02-04-2010 , 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
jam the flop its not close.

jam river.
Yea, I messed this hand up big-time...just wanted confirmation...

As played, I did jam the river...Villain snapped and showed 53

Was wondering if it would have been better to check/call as I could get value from bluffs and really weak hands...only hands that beat me and medium-strength hands would call a river jam?
02-04-2010 , 04:59 PM
No. There's plenty of other weak aces that will call and bluff catchers like jj-kk
02-04-2010 , 05:02 PM
really??? jam flop?? i'd only jam this flop if i was tilted..
02-05-2010 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jingoes
Shoving makes me want to spew. It's a cash game, not a tournament. No hand should be 3 bet shoving over 100bbs preflop.
Yes that was stupid, lol! I wouldn't shove here pre flop unless I was tilting and I'm very rarely tilting that bad.
02-05-2010 , 03:32 AM
I don't see why we should attempt to bluff two passive fishies when they like to call so much.

River is an LDO shove.
02-05-2010 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I don't see why we should attempt to bluff two passive fishies when they like to call so much.

River is an LDO shove.
They'll often call flop with AQ/J type hands ime.
02-05-2010 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BuddhaMonk187
really??? jam flop?? i'd only jam this flop if i was tilted..
Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideEdge
They'll often call flop with AQ/J type hands ime.
Thanks for all the feedback, guys. Seems like the flop decision may be a bit less clear than I thought? Maybe I did not play this hand as badly as I thought? Shoving river seemed to be standard thought from all...which I did do...
02-05-2010 , 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideEdge
They'll often call flop with AQ/J type hands ime.
hopeful.
02-05-2010 , 01:20 PM
And remember one of the villains is basically all in already. Maybe check shove the flop, but just dont fold given stack sizes/opponents.

      
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