I don't 3bet always top range vs UTG as I'm not going to get value often. Moreover BB is a fish I wanted to play with. Our villain is 24/21, OR ffrom UTG 16%, CBet 65 47 48. So my plan after flop was to call turn and maybe fold river.
WHat I think about his hand:
- He CBets in sandwich with a fish - means he has some value often.
- He had his backdoor FD hit by the river
- JJ beats me already
- KK QQ will not value bet always on the river, may be never, cause it's quite thin I think. he will not value bet any ten also
- my range is pretty strong in his eyes. I would fold underpair

So, is the fold too tight?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($55)
BB ($45.46)
UTG ($111)
UTG+1 ($52.86)
CO ($59.91)
Hero ($62.04)

Dealt to Hero A A

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.50, fold, BB calls $1

FLOP ($4.75) T 2 8

BB checks, UTG bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, BB folds

TURN ($11.75) T 2 8 2

UTG bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

RIVER ($28.75) T 2 8 2 J

UTG bets $20.50, Hero folds

UTG wins $27.32

Pretty sure he valuebets JT, Jx, QQ and KK. Turn is a great card for us, it makes river the easiest call ever. I don't mind a turn raise actually, it's not like he is folding an overpair.

Can you eleborate on why river is a thin valuebet with KK and QQ? You do know all top two pairs got counterfeited right? If you don't valuebet this river with overpairs, you are an incredibly nitty and weak player and need to work on that since you tend to miss tons of valuespots.

call

bet w QQ an KK is thin because there are not many hands to get call from me. I can drop Ten often, will always drop pairs lower than ten. JJ is a set already. QQ+ are to 3bet pre. So not much hands to get call from

Raise turn.

Definitely call river as played.

what is the raise in the turn for? what will call or push here?

incredibly easy river call.

wat

This is what happens when you don't 3 bet AA, villain has no idea you're this strong, he appears stronger than you think and you fold.

I don't like raising turn. You have no air in your range. Overpairs should be an easy fold for a decent villain ott.

I lol'd

Easy call, even vs. tight range only consisting of overpairs, full houses and flushes.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

35 trials (Exhaustive)

board: T282J

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
As*s, KsQs, Ts9s, 8s9s, 7s8s, 22, 88, TT-AA	64.29%	22	1
AdAh	35.71%	12	1

People say "raising turn" so much without really knowing what it means. Raising a turnCbet 100bb deep is ultrastrong. We are thought to have a made hand, and in villains eyes it looks like he has zero fold equity.

Break apart villains range for a sec and realize how bad raising turn is.

Im not in love with raising turn because we dont bluff here much (id prefer if we had As) but 16% utg plus a double with fish involved on this board makes me want to pile some money in. I mean if the river bricks off he bets and we jam he will call narrower than he will stackoff on the turn ime.

Can you explain why you 'd rather have the As? To me, this makes no sense at.

So we know he doesnt have AsXs which lowers the chances of him having spades as he is less likely to be playing random spades than he is to have the backdoor NFD. I think thats what nickiblinds is getting at anyway.

Not folding this river to that bet. As casey said i much rather pump up the pot and 3bet pre, i know you want the fish in but if he's really fishy he might even come for the ride, as played you're not really sure where you're at.

I thought nickiblinds was talking about the turn and if we should raise there. If we had the As, then there would be less flushes in villains range on the river. On the turn however, there are no made flushed possible.

This is why this should be moved to micro. Not really a discussion here.

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