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AA oop on JJx xs AA oop on JJx xs

11-27-2012 , 11:15 AM
    [hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14768601

    BB: $246.46 (246.5 bb)
    UTG: $70.40 (70.4 bb)
    MP: $61.26 (61.3 bb)
    Hero (CO): $101.12 (101.1 bb)
    BTN: $101 (101 bb)
    SB: $395.48 (395.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
    2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, 2 folds

    Flop: ($6.50) J J 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4, BTN calls $4

    Turn: ($14.50) 9 (2 players)
    Hero ]



    He is playing 22/18 3b 10
    F2CB 50%(4)

    call open 8%

    blinds are 2 regs with 3bets of 9%.

    Can we valuebet turn? I can't see much worse hands that will call.
    11-27-2012 , 01:09 PM
    I would check turn and bet the river like 1/2 pot.
    If you get raised on river its an easy fold.

    lots of hands could be sticking around that you get value from 55 - 10 10.
    We are assuming he would raise QQ or KK pre.
    11-27-2012 , 01:26 PM
    Assuming btn is polarized when 3betting on the btn, when he flats I put him on a deploarized range of PP's up to TT, KQo, AJs/o, ATs/o, and KJo/s, and KTs. On this Flop villain most likely assumes we will cbet this a great majority of the time, so he can float here with his entire range. The 9s is an interesting card, because doesn't realy hit our perceived range. That being said it can give villain a bunch of GS draws as well as possible flush draws. I don't think villain thinks we would continue here that often, so I think I would like to check and let villain bluff his air here. Once we c/c the turn, I think we should do the same on almost any River besides a A or a J and let villain attempt one more bluff at the pot.
    11-28-2012 , 02:30 AM
    It depends on your image.

    Personally I get called here by small pp all day, so I have to barrel it. Also, if you think villain has a huge floating range that bets any turn then you can check call.

    But in either case I do think you are getting called by worse. I really dunno anyone who folds TT,99 here.

    And if you check you are getting bet into by a bunch of QT type hands.
    11-28-2012 , 03:43 AM
    9s gives lots of draws on this board so it gives several good reasons to bet:
    1. We would be betting if we picked up some equity;
    2. Villain should be calling rather light because some of our hands could've picked up equity;
    11-28-2012 , 07:11 AM
    ye definitely bet around half pot again, as a default strategy until you see a reason to deviate from it
    11-28-2012 , 07:59 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lord_Ferus
    ye definitely bet around half pot again, as a default strategy until you see a reason to deviate from it
    So you betting alsways 1/2 pot if je barrel? Why?(I think this is a good strategy)
    11-28-2012 , 10:31 AM
    People tend to call a 2nd cbet very light with either PPs or draws in this situation. That being said, it's a clear cbet OTT. Depending on villain's image and our history, I would also consider b/c or b/r the turn since a decent reg would think that you are going to fold the majority of your turn holdings against a raise. But as I said, it's villain depending. In either case, I am definetly betting the turn.
    11-30-2012 , 08:50 AM
    Would you c/c river as a default, after betting turn?
    11-30-2012 , 01:21 PM
    It really depends on how villain perceives your checking range and it also depends on whether he is capable of bluffing the river or shoving the river with TT+. I don't say that I'm ch/c the river as default. Especially against nitty players who haven't got a raise cbet stat (or very low) I would probably go for a ch/f here. However, if I knew that my opponent is capable of floating the flop IP with KT,QT,AT etc. stuff and raising either turn or river (or betting the river) to fold out the majority of my holdings, I would probably go broke there.

    It's just one of those boards where you will get bluffed a lot if you show any weakness. Imagine yourself holding a random hand on the BU. Let's say you have KQ. Firstly, I would think that the standard CO cbet isn't very strong. Then I would decide to call and by that represent a J. CO is very likely to cbet the turn as well with like minimum 60 % of his holdings and thus I would either call or raise trying to take down the pot on the turn. If I didn't raise the turn and the river was checked to me, I would definitely bet the river all-in since I expect you to fold almost everything. ---> Reverse psychology: call.
    11-30-2012 , 06:39 PM
    i have trouble in this spot too. i feel like with AA you can only get 2 streets of value vs a reg, and particular board texture/opponent tendencies are going to dictate which 2 streets those are.

    if opponent is at all floaty, prob go ahead and bet 2/3 pot or a lil less on turn sin ea lot of his floats picked up a lot of equity as the board just got a lot more connected and u dont wanna give a free card. if u get raised here it's pretty fml, but i still think bet > check.

          
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