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12-07-2014 , 05:34 PM

WithnoSenSe

adept

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 754

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33189551

BTN: $58.34 (116.7 bb)
SB: $51.38 (102.8 bb)
BB: $38.58 (77.2 bb)
UTG: $50 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $56.42 (112.8 bb)
CO: $48.52 (97 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($3.75) A

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.68, Hero calls $2.68

Turn: ($9.11) 4

(2 players)
UTG bets $6.52, Hero raises to $14, UTG calls $7.48

River: ($37.11) Q

(2 players)
UTG bets $31.82 and is all-in, [color="grey"]Hero calls
21/15 500h
cb 70% 67% 0% RFI 13% River aggr 41%
fold to rcb 1/1
River such a **** spot

12-07-2014 , 05:38 PM

italjano_dasa

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 41

You play nl50 and raise turn with set? Omg

12-07-2014 , 05:56 PM

just_grindin

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,263

Exactly what flush do you expect villain to reach the river with?

12-07-2014 , 06:09 PM

WithnoSenSe

adept

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 754

KJss, JTss

12-07-2014 , 08:22 PM

piepounder

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,557

yah so u have very few combos that beat u this is a wtf hero fold that is probably not a bad fold vs most guys. but its a slam dunk cal if u think about it differently. if u want my opinion on the way the game is playing right now id say fold

12-07-2014 , 08:33 PM

LimpyLoo

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by just_grindin

Exactly what flush do you expect villain to reach the river with?

With immediate and implied odds, wouldn't/shouldn't any FD call turn min-raise?

12-07-2014 , 08:37 PM

Nirwanda

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7,699

Why not raise flop if you're going to play the pot in a vacuum anyway?

12-07-2014 , 08:42 PM

LimpyLoo

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 40

Yeah I'd say raise flop (and also take part of your fold/floating range and raise flop it with as well so your flop-raising range on Axx isn't overly value-heavy).

River is fold.

12-07-2014 , 08:55 PM

immortalpinguin

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 227

Raise flop

If im villain im not folding AJ AQ AK to a flopraise, i'n folding those hands versus a turnraise however

As played, fold

12-07-2014 , 09:11 PM

#10

LimpyLoo

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 40

I think you should only raise 'wet' (yet non-spade) turns so you can rep more draws. The off-suit 4 is as blank as they come.

12-07-2014 , 09:54 PM

#11

just_grindin

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,263

Quote:

Originally Posted by LimpyLoo

With immediate and implied odds, wouldn't/shouldn't any FD call turn min-raise?

He opened UTG and the As is on board as well as the Qs. Theres no high gutter straight draws and all other straight draws with flushes wouldn't be in his utg opening range (or at least a negligible amount of the time).

That leaves like KJs ,JTs, J9s, T9s, 89s if he opens all of them utg? Yea I hate the turn bet sizing but the board should be blocking a somewhat significant amount of flushes in an UTG preflop opening range.

Edit: I agree with others that a flop raise is probably best.

12-07-2014 , 10:04 PM

#12

LimpyLoo

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by just_grindin

Well I'm talking specifically about the times UTG has FD. I'm saying a FD should always be calling there, no?

And I think UTG would have to have a pretty finely-tuned donk-bluffing range on the river for this to be anything other than a fold. (that being said, I've seen enough players make that play to be a little tempted to call. But really until UTG proves he can make those plays, river = fold IMO)

12-08-2014 , 12:39 AM

#13

just_grindin

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,263

Quote:

Originally Posted by LimpyLoo

Well I'm talking specifically about the times UTG has FD. I'm saying a FD should always be calling there, no?

I was not that's why I clarified. The immediate call is very slightly negative EV - in fact without using a calculator I doubt villain would know that it was negative EV. If we pay off river bets when he hits it's negligible any way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LimpyLoo

And I think UTG would have to have a pretty finely-tuned donk-bluffing range on the river for this to be anything other than a fold. (that being said, I've seen enough players make that play to be a little tempted to call. But really until UTG proves he can make those plays, river = fold IMO)

Yea the river line looks pretty strong but I was pointing out that if he reaches the river with 1-2 flush combos it doesn't take very much for him to do somethung stupid with AxKs, AQ, or 66 for this to be a call.

12-08-2014 , 12:46 AM

#14

LimpyLoo

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by just_grindin

It's quite possible this guy is just a spazz who has no concept of relative hand strength.

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