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02-16-2010 , 11:15 PM

drawingdeadd7

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btn is winning reg playing 19/15 with steal at 30 and aggresion at 3.7
sb is a bit spewy
i mix up between squeezing and flatting here, this time i decided to flat. i was wondering what ur thoughts were on the postflop play- donking vs. ch/c, etc. ??

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 541217
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP: $138.55
CO: $40.50
BTN: $109.40
SB: $101.40
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $154.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 9

3 folds, BTN raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.00) 2

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $6.50, BTN raises to $24, SB folds, Hero requests TIME

02-16-2010 , 11:18 PM

KingOf100NL

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ALL IN

02-16-2010 , 11:19 PM

nathan

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see no reason to donk unless villian always checks back AX here since he will be c-betting close to always.

02-16-2010 , 11:22 PM

dontdoit

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donking into a reg is not a good idea here if you dont know what to do when he raises you in a spot like this. there def IS some merit to b3b, but not when you have no idea of villains general range for raising donk bets. c/c >>>>>>> donk and guess.

02-16-2010 , 11:22 PM

skibbel

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edit: didn't see you donked

Last edited by skibbel; 02-16-2010 at 11:29 PM.

02-16-2010 , 11:27 PM

nathan

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donking sets you up to get owned alot here without any history, urgh i prob call and c/jam,call a shove on A/3-T and c/fold JQK turns

02-16-2010 , 11:35 PM

KingOf100NL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nathan

donking sets you up to get owned alot here without any history, urgh i prob call and c/jam,call a shove on A/3-T and c/fold JQK turns

ACCORDING TO THIS GUY, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT CHECK/FOLD A 2 TURN

02-16-2010 , 11:44 PM

nathan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOf100NL

ACCORDING TO THIS GUY, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT CHECK/FOLD A 2 TURN

lol wut

02-16-2010 , 11:48 PM

dontdoit

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02-16-2010 , 11:49 PM

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drawingdeadd7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dontdoit

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2. HIT CAPS LOCK
3. POST 2P2

lol!!!

02-16-2010 , 11:57 PM

#11

KingOf100NL

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02-17-2010 , 12:41 AM

#12

StewiesMinion

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I'd be check raising this flop looking to get in stacks a ton here.

As played, type something stupid in chat and CiB

02-17-2010 , 12:44 AM

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durkadurka33

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I'd just ch/call and bet/fold turn.

02-17-2010 , 12:58 AM

#14

StewiesMinion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by durkadurka33

I'd just ch/call and bet/fold turn.

How can you fold this hand? We are at nearly the absolute top of our range vs a villain who is probably opening around 38% of hands when folded to on the button. If my 38% assumption is right, it would be +EV to turn our hand face up and shove this flop.

02-17-2010 , 01:05 AM

#15

Gary_Neville

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StewiesMinion

Because Villain is raising the flop 3way with all the 38% of hands he opened with preflop? Your reasoning is just really flawed imo.

02-17-2010 , 01:28 AM

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durkadurka33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StewiesMinion

What range does villain, a 19/15 nit, raise and stack off on this flop with? I guarantee that it has 99 CRUSHED.

02-17-2010 , 01:29 AM

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durkadurka33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StewiesMinion

Actually, you realize that villain isn't raising the flop donk w/ that 38% of his preflop opening range...right? At worst villain is raising the flop w/ AQ and AK...the rest of the range is TT-AA and MAYBE 77-88 but I totally doubt it. Villain has hero totally crushed here.

02-17-2010 , 03:16 AM

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StewiesMinion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary_Neville

Because Villain is raising the flop 3way with all the 38% of hands he opened with preflop? Your reasoning is just really flawed imo.

I was referring to suggested line of call-donk/fold.

Also, we have no idea if he is a nit postflop. We just know that he is really tight in UTG and in MP from the 19-15 30% steal stats.

02-17-2010 , 04:17 AM

#19

blyant

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If hes a good thinking reg, he will know that your range never is superstrong here you can never have a big PP since u didnt 3bet pre.

I dont know if this counts for a 19/15 reg though.

02-17-2010 , 04:54 AM

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ponDragon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blyant

If hes a good thinking reg, he will know that your range never is superstrong here you can never have a big PP since u didnt 3bet pre.

I dont know if this counts for a 19/15 reg though.

didn't know you had to be a good thinking reg to know hero doesn't have QQ+ in his range lol.

02-17-2010 , 05:13 AM

#21

drawingdeadd7

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for the record i did end up folding.
I think his bet sizing is a bit telling too because i bet 6.50 so i think if he was just making a bluff-raise why wouldnt he just make it 15-20 ish i dont see why he would need to make it 24 unless it was for value. who knows tho.. perhaps i got owned =X

02-17-2010 , 12:02 PM

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durkadurka33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StewiesMinion

I was referring to suggested line of call-donk/fold.

Also, we have no idea if he is a nit postflop. We just know that he is really tight in UTG and in MP from the 19-15 30% steal stats.

You ch/call to get value from his bluffs.

You bet the turn because villain won't double barrel and probably won't bet worse boats...so you bet for protection and a little value. You bet/fold because he's not raising with worse.

02-17-2010 , 12:52 PM

#23

nitsanper

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Quote:

Originally Posted by durkadurka33

what value there is in c/c and than donk b/f turn? any pp will be barreled by vill, so donking into him won't give him the chance to value town himself and we won't give him any room to keep bluffing. I'd rather c/c all streets(if 9 doesn't hit) than take your line mate.

donking this flop is okay by me, cuz it's multiway pot and you can get value from your hand by betting and not risking villian to check back most of his SD value hands(like AQ,AJ,AK,AJ,A10s),

02-17-2010 , 01:06 PM

#24

drsmooth

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squeezing here pf would be bad unless sb is a huge fish, then it would be kind of coolm but otherwise flatting is def best especially against a nitty opener

post flop id check to him and if he checks back start vbetting myself, maybe i am too passive or something but i can't ever see us getting stacks in good here against a nit, he isn't going broke with 66.

02-17-2010 , 01:21 PM

#25

durkadurka33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nitsanper

Perhaps english isn't your first language. Villain is unlikely to bet 33-88 on the turn especially since the turn will likely come an overcard to his PP. This means that villain is nearly only betting TT-AA and overcards that hit the turn (ie, AJ that hits a J). So, ch/calling turn is bad since we're way behind villain's range.

However, villain will check behind a lot of hands like AJ that miss...so we do best by betting to protect and also get some value from 33-88 that won't bet if we check.

We bet/fold since villain is never raising w/ worse than 99.

It's pretty simple.

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