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11-08-2007 , 05:48 PM

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Fonkey123

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The problem with this line now is that it looks so insanely strong. You have to shove now, since he'll probably check back QQ a lot.

11-08-2007 , 05:58 PM

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muttiah

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Folding is pretty bad, there are some serious nits in this thread.

11-08-2007 , 06:02 PM

#53

Shizzle12345

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so call or shove isura?

11-08-2007 , 06:11 PM

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BGnight

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I lead $120 on river. His AA,KK,QQ has to hate that J. I don't like a push cuz I think he can fold all of these.
I like your play on flop and turn because of stack sizes. If it was 100bb's I'd probably just crai on flop. (I woulda folded pf however ldo)

11-08-2007 , 06:19 PM

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carnivalhobo

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do you fold to a shove?

11-08-2007 , 06:32 PM

#56

early325

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i dont like shoving the river..

i bet around 140, and prob have to call a shove..there'd be like 600 in there and it would be 80 to call..he'd prob shove AA/KK enough to balance the times he has a boat/higher flush

11-08-2007 , 06:50 PM

#57

JFsports

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Fold pre, even if you have FPS

On the turn, I think he needs to fold around 33% of the time to make a shove profitable. tbh, I don't think he does, so I like the call.

On the river, the pot is 280 and you have 220 behind. I think if you bet ~120 like BGnight says, you get called by all overpairs. If you shove, he might fold, but he has to call 120 ~twice as often as a shove to make it better.

Do you think he's nitty enough to fold QQ, KK or even AA to a river shove?

11-08-2007 , 07:12 PM

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BGnight

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do you fold to a shove?

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Probably have to if he's a decent player, cuz no way we're good if he does.

11-10-2007 , 02:48 AM

#59

Dire

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results? curious how this played out.

11-10-2007 , 05:17 AM

#60

wdead

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Donk flop? WTF, villain will just incorrectly raise vs our range...
c/c flop, c/c turn, check raise river (he will shove KK, AA, and prob fold if YOU shove imo) and please god fold preflop

11-10-2007 , 05:19 AM

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wdead

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Do you think he's nitty enough to fold QQ, KK or even AA to a river shove?

nitty? you mean good. what is QQ+ beating when you open shove the river?

11-10-2007 , 05:26 AM

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Syntec87

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as played (i.e. w/o donking flop which I like w/ intention to 3bet when raised since we effectively have 9 outs twice and presumable some major FE) I think we call donk shove any river out. once in a long time it will be a 1 or 2 outer to a FH, (depending if he has AA if he has the Ah),

but we almost always get paid after he has put that much money in. I dont know why this hand got so many responses.... is there even another viable alternative?

11-10-2007 , 05:34 AM

#63

orange

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what actually happened was villan checked behind on the turn, i rivered my flush and bet 2/3rds pot, he folded. i was just curious what would be good here if he did bet. thanks for replies.

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