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11-16-2007 , 08:50 AM

jordiepop

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villian is pretty agro .. hows this line

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.30
UTG+1: $151.55
Hero: $98.50
Button: $53.80
SB: $47.60
BB: $144.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q

UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, Button folds, SB calls, BB raises to $19, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $98.5[/color

11-16-2007 , 08:53 AM

Silversurfer81

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If he 3-bets pretty light and you have seen him doing this with marginal holdinigs, I guess 4-bet shove is def. an option.

11-16-2007 , 08:54 AM

Unknown Soldier

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11-16-2007 , 08:57 AM

jordiepop

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lol

11-16-2007 , 09:02 AM

BombayBadboy

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I think the shove is bad..AK is fine, just for the reason that you beat the idiots with AQ. Not everybody is US who runs something like 40/30..I doubt you have an image like that.

11-16-2007 , 09:06 AM

1o BoY

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Hate it alot! why gambal with him when he is the one OOP?

11-16-2007 , 09:10 AM

Unknown Soldier

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I think the shove is bad..AK is fine, just for the reason that you beat the idiots with AQ. Not everybody is US who runs something like 40/30..I doubt you have an image like that.

lol

obv squeeze spot guys.

11-16-2007 , 09:14 AM

Silversurfer81

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Hate it alot! why gambal with him when he is the one OOP?

Because AQ is far ahead of his range and a call is bs, as we probably have to fold every flop without an A or Q ?!

11-16-2007 , 09:21 AM

Spechel EDD

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looks okay with history grimmstar jr

11-16-2007 , 09:25 AM

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BombayBadboy

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I think the shove is bad..AK is fine, just for the reason that you beat the idiots with AQ. Not everybody is US who runs something like 40/30..I doubt you have an image like that.

lol

obv squeeze spot guys.

Didn't see there was a caller inbetween, but I still don't really like it. Its 100NL, it doesn't play that aggro in these spots I think. Also, you get played back alot more with your 40/30 style.

11-16-2007 , 09:46 AM

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Unknown Soldier

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i realise that, but we're not talking about a 19/14 nit here, the guy is 30/20

11-16-2007 , 09:53 AM

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BombayBadboy

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All I see is that he is pretty aggro.

11-16-2007 , 09:56 AM

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Unknown Soldier

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look closer

11-16-2007 , 10:00 AM

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JFsports

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I agree with Unknown Soldier

11-16-2007 , 10:06 AM

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BombayBadboy

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[censored] me, ok I agree that a shove against this guy is ok.

11-16-2007 , 10:07 AM

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Unknown Soldier

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11-16-2007 , 12:04 PM

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I'd make a normal 4bet here, but 4betting at all is extremely standard in this spot against this guy.

11-16-2007 , 01:16 PM

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HoldEmNewby

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very villain dependant, but in this case it is warranted. nh.

on a tangent - how strong a post flop read would you need on this villain to call preflop; knowing you're going to be pushing a lot of flops even if the A or Q doesn't come through?

obviously we would have to be expecting him to cbet often.

11-16-2007 , 01:20 PM

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traz

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this is pretty standard for me against this type of opponent, especially if I've seen him squeeze.

I hate being squeezed and it's a matter of principle

11-16-2007 , 01:22 PM

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scallop

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Hmmm - now this is just a thought.

This guy's calling range in this spot isnt gonna be HUGE. I mean it will be big, but generaly his stats reflect him as the agressor.

If we accept that we are ahead of his 3-betting range... and lets say he shoves 90% of flops he sees (because he is allowed to be the agressor..)

Could we call, and call any flop ????

I realise this would mean some spew-city moments but...?

(Also, I ddoubt he does play the flop like that 90% of the time, but lets say he does?)

11-16-2007 , 01:31 PM

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sure?

11-16-2007 , 01:33 PM

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ajmargarine

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AQ is the new AK preflop!

11-16-2007 , 01:40 PM

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carnivalhobo

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AQ is the new AK preflop!

A4s is the new AK, AQ is the nuts

11-16-2007 , 01:50 PM

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Panthro

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fine. Could also just call PF and shove some nice flops.

11-16-2007 , 01:51 PM

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HoldEmNewby

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fine. Could also just call PF and shove some nice flops.

What is a nice flop (with the exception of the flops that give us top pair)?

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