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3bp - line check w/ Q8s 3bp - line check w/ Q8s

08-12-2010 , 01:40 PM
Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $206.45
Hero (BB): $111.80
UTG: $252.10
CO: $100.00
BTN: $248.20

CO posts a big blind ($1.00)

Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is BB with 8 Q
1 fold, CO checks, 1 fold, SB raises to $5.20, Hero raises to $13.90, 1 fold, SB calls $8.70

Flop: ($28.80) 7 5 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15.60, SB calls $15.60

Turn: ($60.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $28.70, SB calls $28.70

River: ($117.40) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ?


CO posted bb/sb here. Villian was playing 21/13, 0%3b over 52 hands, no particular reads other than he seemed a breakeven player at best (not sure if he was a reg). I think this was the first time I was 3b'ing him in 52 hands, may have been 2nd time.

Anyone take a different line here?
Can I shove river here?
08-12-2010 , 02:00 PM
im shoving here. he never has JJ+ here. I think 88/66 are his most likely holdings. you only have to get him to fold 31.3% of the time to BE on a shove, also if he call you down with some weak hand, nh take a note and use it against him in the future.
08-12-2010 , 06:59 PM
i'd jam this river always given action so far without reads telling me otherwise.
08-12-2010 , 07:15 PM
Check the Q high. Too much optimistic thinking in any kind of FE with 1/2 psb and a J river.

Bet bigger (I dont mind a shove) turn. With more money behind your betsize is good for shove some rivers.
08-12-2010 , 07:51 PM
wtf are you doing on the turn for gods sake

you can bet small like this if it makes you end up with a psb left on the river so you can bluff shove the river but obviously you can't, so either just b/call 44 on the turn so you have some actual fold equity. else check behind.
08-13-2010 , 01:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramdon
wtf are you doing on the turn for gods sake

you can bet small like this if it makes you end up with a psb left on the river so you can bluff shove the river but obviously you can't, so either just b/call 44 on the turn so you have some actual fold equity. else check behind.
lol that's obv y I posted cuz I wasn't sure whether I should just shove or b/c or perhaps have a triple barrel available. Yea I hated stacksizes on river thaz y when he called turn idk if I would have enough FE on river. But I did end up jamming and lol'd when he called, i'll post wat he had later


Anyone else got comments on turn betsizing or whether to bet/jam? I'm not sure what's optimal. Bet like I did with ~130bb+ stacks, and jam turn w/ 100?
08-13-2010 , 02:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ringinabox
im shoving here. he never has JJ+ here. I think 88/66 are his most likely holdings.
I doubt villain isolates oop w medium pp's vs a fish. And why can't he have JJ+? Could easily have TT-KK.
08-13-2010 , 03:56 AM
^ CO posted his bb/sb, he didn't limp. He for sure raises 66/88 here. QQ+ is probably 4betting, don't see this type of villian getting all tricky - and no JJ because J hit river obv and no one ever has sets
08-13-2010 , 05:45 AM
I would either check or move all in on the turn depending on history with villian. He will call every bet you make on the river because he is not calling twice with a draw here and you can't push him away with a psb either. If he actually did call you with a draw like T8 he got there.

Even a fish call with JT got there so you have to give up and move on to the next hand.

      
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