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2nd barrel in 3bet pot 2nd barrel in 3bet pot

03-23-2008 , 08:08 AM
Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (BTN): $102
SB: $100.05
BB: $107.50
UTG: $68
MP: $61.15
CO: $96.60

Pre-Flop: K J dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, CO calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 7 2 Q (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($53.50) A (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks/bets how much?


Villain was playing 37/11/0.7/19 (80h), I just joined the table, no history.
03-23-2008 , 08:30 AM
unless you plan to 3barrel shove, villain isnt going to fold his q9/qt. i check behind
03-23-2008 , 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jago
unless you plan to 3barrel shove, villain isnt going to fold his q9/qt. i check behind
A 3 barrel won't have fold equity
03-23-2008 , 08:47 AM
you're probably right, villain is never folding his Q...
03-23-2008 , 08:48 AM
You shouldn't really ever 3bet a 37/11 here with that sort of hand. He's only raising with 11% of his hands which means AQ+ 88+ . I would MUCH prefer to call in position here and outplay him postflop. Between floating him or betting when he checks, you're going to win this pot like 60% of the time without ballooning it vs. a somewhat nit's raising range.

As played, I would check behind and and try to hit my gutter. If you do bet, It'd bet around a 35-40$ bet and then sadly fold to a push.

Here's some EV calc on the push
If you bet 35$ on the turn and it's 40$ more for you to call with your gutshot

.12(200) -.88(40)
24 - 35.2
-11.2$ EV


So it's just much better to check behind and try to hit your gutter to bust his top two pair.
03-23-2008 , 08:50 AM
villain prob aint folding a Q and ive seen these guys c/c the flop here with Ahi aswell even in 3bet pots. check back and hit your draw.
03-23-2008 , 08:51 AM
pretty good spot to barrel again, bet like 2/3 or so
knowledge about his calling reraises range oop would be helpful obv, but there should be enough weak hands that call pf and float flop too
03-23-2008 , 09:05 AM
It's not that great a spot, and probably not a great player either. I probably barrell this if it was a single raised pot and he was in the blinds.
03-23-2008 , 09:34 AM
flop is dry as hell. Just check it back and hit your Ten.
03-23-2008 , 09:42 AM
I shove this depending on the dynamics of the table. I mean even a fish like 39/11 calls pretty often with TT/JJ type of hand on the flop and is gonna give you credit for double barreling especially if the A hits.

If he has the A so be so but I think in the long run it's profitable to shove.
03-23-2008 , 10:14 AM
im 2nd barrel this too, something like 39$. Ace is a good card to do so. im pretty sure villian is folding 88-JJ, might also fold a Q with medium kicker.he has to give you kredt for atleast somethink that beats Qmediumk.
but if you ckeckbehind and dont hit your gutter(k or J) on the river im certain that you will lose the pot

Last edited by gj_Sha0l1n; 03-23-2008 at 10:16 AM. Reason: xxx
03-23-2008 , 10:48 AM
37/11/0.7/19

Is 19 his went to showdown % ?

If so, we can 2nb barrel here ~37/42 (40 is good, it's "expensive").
03-23-2008 , 11:30 AM
mehh I know the flop is dry and all I still like betting a bit more on the flop.

$14 is small enough that he'll prob peel w/ 88-TT, 7xs and the random A-hi more often than u'd like.

obv bet turn
03-23-2008 , 04:04 PM
wow this thread is garbage

lol at 3betting PF being bad, and lol at people saying a queen never folds.

if you dont understand why 3betting a loose guy w KJ in position is money, then you prob have some very significant leaks.
36 on turn all day

      
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