To get you off close to %99 of your range since apparently we are only calling this river shove with QQ? I actually think it is ******ed to turn 99 into a bluff here but very reasonable to turn Qx into a bluff.

I didn't advocat folding but in any case why should villain expect anyone to fold kk or AA here? And if he put us on kk or AA why did he call turn with Qx ?

You're saying you have zero combos that you call river with? And why on earth is 99 > Qx for bluffing the river? Because it blocks Qq? Lol.

call... he could raise qt here and not any 4s at all in his range... bet smaller river and call, check calling i think is bad because ure not getting any value from hands like aq which he might have

Oh you are trying your best not to understand.
KQ=99 at river. So if KQ is a call, 99 is also a call. And if we want to turn something into a bluff, i would prefer doing it with blockers.

Yes, but 44, 66, TT raise somewhere before the river.

If I may.

No I get that. What I don't get is why he's calling turn on the worst possible card ever for KQ, just to bluff river

You're basically saying he has 100% of his range on the river and that he's bluffing with all of it.

I don't get how anyone would plan a hand thinking "I call, he's probably bluffing, he'll check river" for 2 streets, then on river suddenly decide to turn one's hand into a bluff, especially when the turn card was a card that makes it a) nearly impossible to rep anything and b) nearly impossible to improve when your behind and c) weights the bettor's range towards value

Calling turn with Qx intending to bluff-raise river is insane spew. Don't say "oh, but you are folding KK here" because obviously the vast majority of players just won't, who cares what the OP does. I guess it's useful to you if you play with him lots, but I can think of better ways to improve my game than finding ONE player who will b/f KK here.

I just said if we are bet/folding AA/KK at this river villain can turn all his range into a bluff and i figured Qx is the most likely holding that ppl get to river plus makes us less likely to have QQ so i said `so he can shove all qx`. I never said villain should call turn with KQ just to bluff river etc.

So you b/f or b/c here with KK?

he can look at the bettors range and say, of his bluffing range hes gonna check the river so i can call here with Qx and hope to win.

of his vbetting range he wont be able to withstand a river shove so i will call now and shove river.

either way looking at it i should call the turn now.

that goes through my mind quite often and i dont see how its insane spew because ive had good success with it. obviously you have to pick your opponents carefully.

I think it's a spot where you should have some reads. Readless it's probably close. This isn't a great bluff spot (which points towards a fold) but plenty of regs just can't help themselves.

imo it's a call if he's tough or a spazz and a fold if he's generic

If you have no reads/cant make any assumptions about villains tendencies the best play can only be to b/c with an appropriate frequency/ not b/f too much. u bet about 50 valuecombos here imo. So to only b/c QT/QQ/(A4s) is not enough

If you choose either AQ, KQ or AA/KK to call prolly doesn't matter that much, but don't start b/c your entire valuerange^^

Anyway... In practise i think an avg 100NL reg doesnt turn made hands into bluffs that often. dont know about stars deep table regs though

enough said