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06-13-2008 , 12:23 PM
Villain is Nutsinyoeye. I only have 33 hands of him playing 12/9/inf. I remember playing 1/2 and 2/4 full ring with him awhile back but don't remember much except that he was more aggro/spewy than nitty (doesn't take much at FR).


Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $217.35
CO: $188.25
Hero (BTN): $277.05
SB: $198.00
BB: $41.75

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 7 A
UTG raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, 1 fold, BB calls $5

Meh, I know alot of ppl here don't like cold calling much but I do.

Flop: ($22.00) K 5 7 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $14, BB folds, UTG raises to $48, Hero ???

Once he checks I figure I take down this pot with a bet ALOT of the time unless BB has a hand.

WTF is he c/r the flop with? Can't just be TP can it? Seems like FD or air.

I REALLY want to push here....is that crazy?
06-13-2008 , 12:25 PM
I've seen bad players do this with strong hands before for sure.

If he's a reg it's a bit weirder, but you really have no read on him so I'd just let it go.
06-13-2008 , 12:28 PM
jepp, itz way to crazy! i dont even like ur flop bet against two villains....

just fold it!
06-13-2008 , 12:29 PM
why do you guys insist on calling or 3 betting suited aces vs nits opening utg?
06-13-2008 , 12:33 PM
in b4 star trek pic.... o wait this isn't bbv


fwiw I've seen AsAx do this many of times in my day
06-13-2008 , 12:33 PM
i don't see how preflop can be profitable.

As played this seems to be an isntantturbomuck
06-13-2008 , 12:42 PM
could be a flush draw, could be air, could be AA or KK (or 77/55 for that matter, some otherwise very tight people will raise small and medium pockets UTG) and yes, it could even be top-top, people will check the strangest things.

tricky to say which of those is most likely. i'd be folding here mostly because I'm always reluctant to put people on complete air with a check raise unless I have good evidence they're capable of it. A set is definitely calling your shove and AA likely will. It's only AK that you're likely folding out of his made hands. And most importantly, I'm not at all confident in people's ability to fold the nut flush draw here and I'm only a 54/46 favorite against a hand like AsQs.
06-13-2008 , 12:52 PM
Heads up this is tougher, but 3-way I think this is a real hand most of the time. Fold.

I call more than most pre-flop but I'm not a fan of that particular call because of domination issues.
06-13-2008 , 01:02 PM
preflop is fine in moderation, fold here but make a note that he took this line once and give him much less credit in the future iff he does it again.
06-13-2008 , 01:06 PM
check flop
06-13-2008 , 01:37 PM
Quote:
Once he checks I figure I take down this pot with a bet ALOT of the time unless BB has a hand.
I don't know/remember much about this guy, but I highly doubt he's ever check/folding on that board. He's either check/raising with a big hand or a draw, or he's check/calling with TT-QQ or a bad K. If he had nothing, he just would have bet.
06-13-2008 , 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adebisi
I don't know/remember much about this guy, but I highly doubt he's ever check/folding on that board. He's either check/raising with a big hand or a draw, or he's check/calling with TT-QQ or a bad K. If he had nothing, he just would have bet.
interesting

seems like a bad strategy to always cbet into 2 players when you miss and never c/f
06-13-2008 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Donktastic
interesting

seems like a bad strategy to always cbet into 2 players when you miss and never c/f

Not on this particular board. And he's only OOP vs. 1 player.
06-13-2008 , 09:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 0evg0
check flop
not vs 3 players. u need to protect what's probably the best hand.

vs just a nit maybe cuz he's gonna be checking 88-QQ on that flop for the most part and ur twice as unlikely to be outdrawn by checking
06-13-2008 , 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BGnight
not vs 3 players. u need to protect what's probably the best hand.

vs just a nit maybe cuz he's gonna be checking 88-QQ on that flop for the most part and ur twice as unlikely to be outdrawn by checking
+1 ldo.

no reason to cold call if you are just going to check back a pretty good flop.

i realize that many ppl are not accustomed to cold calling alot and playing poker postlfop, and would rather fold or 3bet...but i don't roll that way. not saying its better or worse but for purposes of this hand realize that i do this alot.
06-13-2008 , 10:11 PM
Bet the flop. Fold when the uncreative nit checkraises you.
06-13-2008 , 10:15 PM
I dont know wtf this line is supposed to be but pretty easy fold imo. And lol at people saying to check this hand.
06-13-2008 , 10:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krmont22
Bet the flop. Fold when the uncreative nit checkraises you.
so he really is an uncreative nit now huh?

just want to know if you are basing that off of play with him rather than my small sample.

hard to read between the lines on these forums.
06-13-2008 , 11:09 PM
I don't really have much of an opinion regarding checking vs. betting this flop, but if you are going to bet it, I think you have to be ready to barrel it off when UTG calls you (as long the K doesn't pair). As I said before, I doubt many UTG raisers are going to be check/folding JT of hearts on a K75 board against 1 coldcaller and a blind. He's got some kind of a hand here, you need to either do whatever you can to take him off of it, or just check behind and see what develops.

As you played it, if I really thought he was FOS, I might float his check raise, but I'd never shove.
06-13-2008 , 11:20 PM
Villain is 17/13/2 on 400 hands, easy fold to me here.
06-13-2008 , 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariobrosse
Villain is 17/13/2 on 400 hands, easy fold to me here.
while your conclusion might be correct, you need to stop thinking like this.
06-14-2008 , 02:46 AM
why would anyone check the flop?

seems really results oriented

as played, fold
06-14-2008 , 06:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbc
why would anyone check the flop?

seems really results oriented

as played, fold

+1

I also think pre is very bad. But you know what are you doing, so meh

      
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