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200NL: Weak two pair in 3bet pot river decision 200NL: Weak two pair in 3bet pot river decision

11-21-2012 , 03:31 PM
Have about 250 hands on villain, no real big pots between us yet. He's folded every single time he's been 3-bet at the table (5 times) and i haven't 3bet him once. He's opening about 35% in the SB.

The only hands we played so far really were single raised; him in the BB me on the button pots. One hand i cbet J8dd on K72r, chk chk 9x, Jx chk chk and he had KT he didn't vbet with. We also played a hand where i opened BU with KTo he called. flop was 8cQc3x chk chk turn Kc he led, i called, river Qx and he gave up with Ax7c

I 3bet this pre cause i think he's gonna fold enough and it's too weak to flat. I don't do this everytime but just thought this was a good time since I hadn't 3bet him pre and he's folded a ton. He calls unfortunately.

Flop is really standard; I bet the turn expecting to get c/r a decent amount so i call; river is really tough here.

I don't think he's outright bluffing since he actually tanked down to 2 seconds left on his timebank before betting. I think he has a good hand he's valuebetting but not a flush. Question is what thin valuebets can i beat. Do randoms play AA like this? 78s he may or may not call pre with. I lose to 9T and sets, i can beat stuff turned into bluff. Flip a coin i guess, what do you think?

FWIW before the exploitable argument comes up if we're thinking about folding, i would definitely show up with flushes here that i would chk back flop with given the texture and it hits a tight 3bet flatter's range pretty hard

    Cake Poker, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    CO: $163.50 (81.8 bb)
    BTN: $59 (29.5 bb)
    SB: $288.49 (144.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): $430.82 (215.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J 3
    2 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $14

    Flop: ($40) 8 J 7 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($40) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $60, Hero calls $40

    River: ($160) 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $124

    11-21-2012 , 05:03 PM
    so you expect to get check raised on the turn, and are cool with that, but you expect him to just check fold on the river after check raising turn?

    i mean its just a standard snap dude, people try to make you fold a capped ranged here, hes been getting abused by 3bets pre so can be annoyed/spewy, has plenty of worse for value, KJ+ etc.

    double edit: your 144bb eff but he's not even jamming the river so really this is just a 100bb hand pretty much given sizings. calllllllll

    Last edited by shipit2kg; 11-21-2012 at 05:06 PM. Reason: didnt see you were 144bb eff its a little different, but still an easy call imo
    11-21-2012 , 05:32 PM
    they don't always follow through on the river ya know ;p
    11-22-2012 , 10:06 AM
    Bet turn bigger, like $32.

    On the river you're at the top of your range, so you call. If you fold J3 here you fold way too much.
    11-22-2012 , 10:09 AM
    raising is too thin, folding wouldn't cross my mind so that leaves calling I guess

          
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