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200NL - Over Pair vs donkbet flop 200NL - Over Pair vs donkbet flop

01-18-2013 , 07:30 AM
Oppo is a regtard with 21/16/6
He has a 21% of donkbet flop.
agg factor for street is 4/3/3

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($229)
BB ($200)
Hero ($337)
CO ($159)
BTN ($133)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

Hero raises to $5, fold, fold, SB calls $4, fold

FLOP ($12) 2 6 7

SB bets $10, Hero raises to $31, SB calls $21

TURN ($74) 2 6 7 T

SB checks, Hero bets $42.60, SB raises to $193 (AI), Hero??

I raise flop for value and ready to finish allin vs underpair and draw
when c/p turn we are died vs his range?
01-18-2013 , 08:51 AM
Raising cant be terrible vs fish but i feel that it might be against regs. If a reg bet/3b this flop and you get it in, you are a pretty big dog most of the time. So what exactly are we achieving by raising? Value from what? A7? 99? I prefer calling, keeping his range wide and using position to play out a pot.
01-18-2013 , 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurts_Doesnt_It?
Raising cant be terrible vs fish but i feel that it might be against regs. If a reg bet/3b this flop and you get it in, you are a pretty big dog most of the time. So what exactly are we achieving by raising? Value from what? A7? 99? I prefer calling, keeping his range wide and using position to play out a pot.
he doesn't lay down any draw
01-18-2013 , 04:50 PM
I don't see myself folding as played getting this price against the described villain (his stats don't inherently mean he's bad but il assume he is) but I think this is a good spot to balance our turn checking range
01-18-2013 , 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Italian_Donk*
he doesn't lay down any draw
This doesn't necessarily turn the tables as much as you think. If he's felting nuts and draws, you're still not doing so hot. Also, I'm not sure he has many draws flatting in the blinds vs UTG open.
01-18-2013 , 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Italian_Donk*
he doesn't lay down any draw
You are in for a world of hurt vs anyone decent if you think people are bet/getting it in w JTs on this flop. I would wager that if a reg leads this flop with non nutted draw, he is folding to a raise - exploiting the **** out of your thought process. Most regs will CR such draws knowing your cbetting this flop almost always.

Raise getting it in is only good vs people who have worse for value and assuming the described player is capable of this is border line delusional.

To clarify, i love our hand and the spot we are in and i am not afraid of calling down his leads. That is fine because while he is leading his range is super wide. Once we raise your narrow his continuing range so much that QQ is likely behind the range he gets it in with.
01-18-2013 , 07:39 PM
This spot heavily depends on your image. This is a fist pump raise/get in on flop and bet/call turn if you have built a loose and aggressive dynamic. However if this is the first hand you're playing against this opponent, I have a feeling that the turn bet might be too thin in a vacuum.
01-18-2013 , 08:28 PM
Given the reads and descritpions of vilains i would call there.

As for raising flop, i think it s mandatory against this kind of players when you have such a strong hand especially if he is a low 3 bettor, people that donks a lot and are badagressive have a tendancy to level themself a lot and i can see him spew or make a ****** play enough of the time for it to be more profitable than calling (not even talking about protecting equity and balancing range since you wanna bluff with some of your hands there).
01-19-2013 , 12:41 AM
He has a 21% of donkbet flop

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01-19-2013 , 12:54 AM
SB cold call % would be nice
01-19-2013 , 08:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by african princee
SB cold call % would be nice
From SB:
>call open 8%
>3bet 7%
01-19-2013 , 08:41 AM
Your toast here. I don't like raising flop here either.

21% donk bet doesn't really mean much. His game plan is prolly donking all draws/ top pair, overpairs/ sets.

He flats ur raise otf so he prolly doesn't have a monster draw. And he's prolly not crai with 88 ott either (depends on your image). I've seen plenty of reg fish donk sets/ two pair, flat the raise otf waiting for a safe turn before cr ai.
01-19-2013 , 11:43 PM
love the flop raise against 21% donker since we should assume we will want to bluff raise him on occasion. turn can be a check or a bet depending on how we expect him to play. his aggression freq are high i believe, im a hud idjit, so i like giving him chances to spaz. which means bet here when he can raise and rep many nut combos like here. you need roughly 33% equity and i believe your over 40 so call
01-20-2013 , 10:04 PM
Fold. Think about the type of hands he's flatting an MP open with from the sb.

      
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