This is a really weird spot.

The 75bb stack villain is fishy and playing 15/10 over small sample.

The villain that has me covered is extremely fishy playing 40/8 over 100 hands.

My original plan was to just get it all in on the flop vs the shorter stack.

Is there any other way we can play our hand?


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $152.05
UTG: $268.00
MP: $659.75
Hero (CO): $595.15
BTN: $200.00
SB: $133.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with A J
1 fold, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, SB calls $7, BB calls $6, MP calls $6

Flop: ($32.00) 6 3 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20, SB folds, BB raises to $54, MP calls $54, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $34

Turn: ($194.00) 4 (3 players)
BB bets $90.05 all in, MP calls $90.05, Hero calls $90.05

id usually check back flop. though as played i dont see any other line.

are you doing this if everyones 100bbs deep too?

its not really because we are deep, its because we have ace high against at least 2 fish on a board that they will never fold on.

if we end up hitting our flush we still stack their sets/straight/lower flush anyway because they arent going to be very willing to fold a 'big hand' for any amount of amount of money.

i think saying we should check the flop is being results oriented.

no

jack is right, there are a lot of turns that we can vbet on, whereas here we just might get the money in with roughly 25% equity cause we can't fold.

We get nothing to fold that we don't beat, and nothing worse calls here imo

i don't see how checking back the nfd when we're 300bbs deep against a fish is good.

we get hands with a lot of equity against us to fold and worse draws to call. we also get the option to barrel (although that's probably less good against a 40/x fish)

no u dont, notoriously fish dont fold thus why u said u wont barrel.

vs a reg obv cbet and barrel off on a ton of turns.

also like i said u get paid when u hit flush/j/a anyway so no need to bloat the pot. if u check u see a free turn.

how are we going to get paid on a flush when we have $600 effective and there is 32 in the pot?

and fish are going to fold hands like T9,J9,QT on the flop- basically middling hands that don't connect with the board but still have a lot of outs vs us. the hands they aren't going to fold are hands like gutshots, bdfds, Ahis... hands which we're fine with playing a huge pot with IP because our draw domintes theirs.

you can always check back the turn.

if he has a flush he is just gonna c/r when he hits then u can 3bet.

i was talking about getting paid off vs weaker hands than a flush when we have a flush.

you know that we have a drawing hand right?

who are you talking to

to you sir.

lol, and what's your point?

It's a lagtard move to bet flush draws indiscriminately. I would probably always bet this in play and I'm now convinced its not best

we have the nfd 300bbs deep IP. can you construct a better scenario in which we should bet a flush draw?

When we have some fold equity...

maybe i have the wrong impression of what ranges these guys are calling. I'm under the impression that theyll actually fold some % of the time. ie when they have absolutely nothing.

ironically, if they're really calling 100% we are actually valuebetting ??

b/r to commit yourself vs short and fold vs push of deep. About 130$ total should be ok with those stacks.