Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players -

Hero (CO): $365.35
BTN: $236.95
SB: $315.20
BB: $200.00
UTG: $215.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, SB calls $5, BB calls $4

Flop: ($18.00) T 8 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $15, Hero calls $15, SB folds

Turn: ($48.00) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $35, Hero calls $35

River: ($118.00) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $144 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Stats BB: 21/18/4.4/3B:7/ftCB:57(7) over 392 hands, no relevant reads, reg
SB = recreational player

BB should percieve my cbet stat as about 70%. I think this might be important.

Flop: I have never seen villain donkbetting before. He has relative position and should SB expect to call often if I do cbet. But I´m not cbetting as much as many other SSNL players, so maybe he doesn´t want the flop to get checked around. I think his range for leading this flop probably looks like: sets, 2pair (T8s), maybe some strong TP´s, openenders (J9s,97s), QJ and maybe sometimes random overs.

Turn: The 6 completes the straightdraw of 97s. When he´s leading again, I think we can pretty much discount hands like QJ and random overcards from his range, because he would probably give up. The rest of his range probably is the same as for donking the flop, although I´m not sure about the TP´s.

River: I don´t think he´s shoving a hand like AT on the river. So I´m pretty much crushed by his value range. The only hand that missed is J9, but these are only 4 combos (assuming he´s not calling with J9o preflop). He might maybe decide to shove T8s for thin value but these are only 2 combos. So I decided to fold.

My questions:
1. Do you think we should raise the flop and get it in?
2. If not, do you think we should fold the turn?
3. If not, do you think we can call the river?

Thanks...

line looks fine. dont really see anything else you can do. raising at any point is just value towning yourself. turn is 4 suited. his range is very much value oriented. and with his river bet, like you said, you can discount AT. so, fold river. nh.

Grunch.

I play it the same

meh, nh

who flats the flop ? honestly

I'd play it the same, but feel a little sick about it. One of the draws did get there though (79).

the reason it'd tilt me so much is that I think villain played any hand he could possible have poorly (unless he had J9 and owned you).

SB is a weak player. It's a dry flop, I really don't get his lead when he has relative position. I also don't get his turn bet sizing, if he want's to shove river.

that said, every time I hero call, i'm then tilted by the fact I over think things and give people credit for thinking about things like relative position and bet sizing.

edit: I always skip OP analysis of a hand and just get reads to not influence my response. I see I basically said everything you did. I just can't fold KK to the turn though, people do show up with strange bluffs and JJ/QQ/Tx sometimes which slow down on the river almost always.

I call it. Against a range of JJ-TT,88,33,J9s,T8s,97s, we are 50/50. All we need is like 35%, so there is also room to give away some percentages in case he doesnt bluff that often.

I'd be really tempted to call here, though I wouldn't be particularly thrilled about it.

I can't imagine why villain would want to lead with the top of his range in that spot.

Your hand is somewhat underrepped, which matters I think.

^^ That, but this:

I think in this case I'd call river and make a note, rather than usually I'd like to have a note before I called. I just think your hand is too strong.