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02-13-2010 , 02:02 PM
The guy with the short stack is a fish 45/16
the other dude is a reg leplepsnail something
running at 27/24

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $208.00
BTN: $83.35
SB: $141.60
BB: $237.65
Hero (UTG): $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with 8 8
Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BTN calls $6, SB calls $5, BB calls $4

Flop: ($24.00) J Q 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18, BTN folds, SB calls $18, BB calls $18

Turn: ($78.00) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($78.00) Q (3 players)
SB bets $51, BB raises to $213.65 all in,
02-13-2010 , 02:06 PM
he cant be iso-ing without boat can he?

do you fold to blank river?

given fish stack size i might bet turn some
02-13-2010 , 02:09 PM
he can

his call in the relative last postion on this kinda flop is never ever QJ
i call
02-13-2010 , 02:18 PM
99 j9 q9 89

if he sucks enough to shove with a st8 then he will also have qj jj or qq here too-i doubt he has kt too

OP have you seen reg iso fish action before?
02-13-2010 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucKeeRiceBalls
99 j9 q9 89

if he sucks enough to shove with a st8 then he will also have qj jj or qq here too-i doubt he has kt too

OP have you seen reg iso fish action before?
99 is the only hand that he can legally have that beat us

J9 is air ( QJ he will c/r or donkt the drawy flop with the fish 100%)
98 is air (Q9 he will play the same way as QJ)
02-13-2010 , 02:30 PM
he can def have QJ
02-13-2010 , 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by naaz
he can def have QJ
you check QJ 3 way on this flop with a fish in the pot ?
because what ?

sorry when i said Q9 i meant Q8
02-13-2010 , 02:36 PM
given that action the only hands that make sense is 99 and Q9, so i call

edit: i call because he does this with Tx often enough to be profitable
02-13-2010 , 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by meleader2
given that action the only hands that make sense is 99 and Q9, so i call
i love you

+ fish money is likely to be also complete in the pot
02-13-2010 , 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boerstyboy
99 is the only hand that he can legally have that beat us

J9 is air ( QJ he will c/r or donkt the drawy flop with the fish 100%)
98 is air (Q9 he will play the same way as QJ)
who said anything about legal? this is 100nl and he is in pos
02-13-2010 , 03:19 PM
This is close. IMO Q9 is the only hand that the BB reg could get to this river with that beats us and there's only 6 pos combos of that, and only 3 if the SB has a Q. The SB fish could def be checking the turn to raise with a T and could now be leading the riv with a Q as well. If we (reasonably) assume that we beat the fish and that he'll never fold, we only need to be good 32% of the time vs the reg here meaning that we only need the BB to have 1-2 combos in his range that we beat to make this a profitable call. Therefore we need the reg to be shoving some Ts vs the fish - if we think he's capable of doing that on a paired board with the PFR behind then it's a call. If not it's a clear fold as we beat nothing.
02-13-2010 , 03:26 PM
THe thing is he`s should allmost allways CR closing the action with like 2p+ all his strong hands (our range is pretty strong we`d never cbet the flop without at least GSD+ i believe). He can play KTs like that for sure, which makes me wanna call, cose boats that have us beat dont make much sense at all.
02-13-2010 , 03:34 PM
ok from the BB's perspective what would induce him to shove and why is it better than flatting if he doesn't have a boat?

fish will still call and they will chop the pot- which means he is trying to iso us out of the pot; which doesn't make any sense because if he had a strait then he would just flat hoping we call with trips aa kk etc. so we hope he is bluff raising a fish who has $10 behind and hoping we fold out boats? Which means that he is willing to risk his entire stack with a strait to gain $10 more?

We can easily have a flopped set.
I think everyone is discounting the fact that the fish has a str8
BB has a boat or OP left out that BB is a crappy reg

Last edited by LucKeeRiceBalls; 02-13-2010 at 03:57 PM.
02-13-2010 , 03:46 PM
I think i call. Im only really worried about Q9s, Doubt he overcalls flop with 99 and QJ always raises flop on this board. I think its a pretty bad turn check if he has any straight but most people are bad.
02-13-2010 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boerstyboy
you check QJ 3 way on this flop with a fish in the pot ?
because what ?

sorry when i said Q9 i meant Q8
just b/c i wouldnt doesnt mean that everyone plays perfect. maybe he was multitabling and didnt realize the fish was in, maybe he just clicked check by w/out putting much thought into it because he had a tough decision on another table. i'm just saying that because he "should" lead or c/r doesn't mean that he will 100 percent of the time.
02-13-2010 , 04:10 PM
I think everyone is discounting the fact that the fish 4/5 times has a str8 with only $10 behind

OK im very open to being wrong but can someone please elaborate why BB would raise allin knowing this

Last edited by LucKeeRiceBalls; 02-13-2010 at 04:23 PM.

      
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