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10-19-2008 , 09:16 AM
guy is 22/16/inf over bout 200
idk what range he iso's w/ but its safe to assume its wide

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $112.20
CO: $250.30
BTN: $434.55
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $212.15
UTG: $267.45

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with 9 9
1 fold, MP calls $2, CO raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($22.00) 4 8 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($54.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34, Hero calls $34

River: ($122.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $70, Hero

im uber confused here...
10-19-2008 , 09:48 AM
I'd probably expect him to barrel the K, but his 3rd barrel/river bet size makes this a fold for me.
10-19-2008 , 11:51 AM
Since you feel you are so far ahead of his range here pre-flop, why not 3bet? I don't know if this is correct and have trouble in these spots OOP against aggressive opponents.
10-19-2008 , 11:53 AM
Id just fold river readless, calling cant be terrible tough...
10-19-2008 , 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by orlov
Id just fold river readless, calling cant be terrible tough...
this and also pls 3bet that 99, is so way ahead of his CO opening range if he is 22/16
10-19-2008 , 12:58 PM
it's really dumb to say you have to 3bet... him being 22/16 isn't an indication that we must be 3betting here if it is going to be putting us in a ****ty spot postflop

as played I fold readless as said, but take a note and try to notice his aggressiveness post flop
10-19-2008 , 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseHigh
pls 3bet that 99, is so way ahead of his CO opening range if he is 22/16
so is A2o....
10-19-2008 , 08:40 PM
It just comes down to a soulread. Personally, I think that river bet is more bluffy than for value for some reason. It's a really close spot imo, but I edge toward folding.
10-19-2008 , 08:41 PM
Meh, all the draws missed, I suppose I might call. I'd prob just fold the turn though even though it's a good DB card
10-19-2008 , 08:44 PM
To those saying we have to 3-bet here, just because you are ahead of his opening range doesn't mean you should 3-bet: no-limit texas holdem is far more complex than that. You have to think about how you fair against his calling range, how much FE you have, and how well your hand plays with different stack-to-pot ratios and numbers of opponents.

OP: I think you played this hand well if you fold the river. His betsize is a little small if he is trying to bluff you, although he could be trying to make you fold a busted draw I guess. I think that most people at 1/2 will fire the 2nd barrel on that turn with 100% of their air, but far fewer people have the balls to fire the 3rd without a K. Calling is certainly not terrible though.
10-19-2008 , 10:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryanb9
guy is 22/16/inf over bout 200
idk what range he iso's w/ but its safe to assume its wide

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $112.20
CO: $250.30
BTN: $434.55
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $212.15
UTG: $267.45

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with 9 9
1 fold, MP calls $2, CO raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($22.00) 4 8 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($54.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34, Hero calls $34

River: ($122.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $70, Hero

im uber confused here...
i guess i would fold river, that bet size just seems to be for value. If he had bet more I'd be more inclined to call.

idk, if i'm calling the turn and then draws miss i think you have to call river most of the time.
10-19-2008 , 10:40 PM
I would call
10-19-2008 , 10:53 PM
Half of my posts are lol dont fold, but lol, dont fold.
10-19-2008 , 11:15 PM
Being a dck and not explaining why i think it is a call.

preflop, underrepped, he will expect 99+ tp 3bet here a lot i think.

flop, underrepped, obv expects overpair to raise.

turn, underrepped, no big hands will flat here, and what kings are in your range? Most of these would probably also raise.

River, by now u can only have a draw, which obv missed, or a flopped pair. This means you prob have some equity vs his value range, and all draws missed, and he has perfect turn to barrel so he will be bluffing a fair amount also.

so dont fold.
10-20-2008 , 01:36 AM
i think he has queens

fold the turn

if calling turn is correct then calling the river is definitely correct against like 90% of people

butr fold turn
10-20-2008 , 01:38 AM
plzlife villain wil not expect overpairs to c/r that flop. and we are nowhere near under repped on the turn. if he has a better hand than us, he will continue valuebetting (or bluffing air); but he is never value betting worse (which is a necessary condition of 'being under repped).
10-20-2008 , 02:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adama
To those saying we have to 3-bet here, just because you are ahead of his opening range doesn't mean you should 3-bet: no-limit texas holdem is far more complex than that. You have to think about how you fair against his calling range, how much FE you have, and how well your hand plays with different stack-to-pot ratios and numbers of opponents.

OP: I think you played this hand well if you fold the river. His betsize is a little small if he is trying to bluff you, although he could be trying to make you fold a busted draw I guess. I think that most people at 1/2 will fire the 2nd barrel on that turn with 100% of their air, but far fewer people have the balls to fire the 3rd without a K. Calling is certainly not terrible though.
QFT

As played, I fold the river. What do you think about taking a different line on the flop. Float/Re-raise?
10-20-2008 , 02:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdom88
if calling turn is correct then calling the river is definitely correct against like 90% of people

butr fold turn
???
10-20-2008 , 02:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseHigh
this and also pls 3bet that 99, is so way ahead of his CO opening range if he is 22/16
3betting anything because you are ahead of their opening range isn't good
10-20-2008 , 03:12 AM
I think raising the flop makes this easier to play. As played, fold the turn is probably better if you weren't sure how to react to his river bet coz you can't really expect an aggressive reg with worse hand to give up on a blank river, after you flat called 2 streets
10-20-2008 , 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by corsakh
???
He's saying: He would have folded the turn. However, if calling is correct in this spot given reads/dymanics/blahblah then calling that river after calling the turn would be the play.
10-20-2008 , 07:45 AM
I understand what he says, I do not understand where he gets this idea.
10-20-2008 , 07:56 AM
I think he advocate it because spots like these on the river sucks. Villian has a decent idea of what you have and is gonna play well agasin't you. You are getting exploited sometimes folding turn, but your never gonna be able to play the river in a manor that is very +EV.
10-20-2008 , 08:06 AM
Its very opponent and history dependent. But I do not think its particularly difficult.
10-20-2008 , 08:19 AM
uh I really doubt A2o is ahead of a tags cutoff opening range... plug it in and see

      
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