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01-08-2008 , 12:47 AM

GutPunch

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villian is 23/19/3 w/ a 3 bet stat of 21 I have usually just folded to his 3 bets, or called and chk/fold the flop, this is the first time I have 4 bet him

$1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $134.20
CO: $393.40
BTN: $302.25
SB: $245.85
BB: $275.80
Hero (UTG): $406.15

Pre-Flop: A

dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $7, MP folds, CO raises to $26, 3 folds, Hero raises to $88, CO raises to $393.40 and is All-In, Hero ??

01-08-2008 , 01:22 AM

sightless

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is pf 4bet standard? I kinda dont like it, because its puts us in a horrible spot if he calls and we miss the flop. The pot would be big and it would suck ): I think maybe just calling his raise is best.
as played I fold he always has aces or kings here

01-08-2008 , 01:27 AM

hotbacon

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4bet smaller unless youre looking to get it in pf (you aren't)

fold as played

01-08-2008 , 01:39 AM

mofliedlice

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You should be just calling his 3bet and playing pretty straightforward. You really don't want to inflate this pot OOP. I definitely fold to this though 200bb deep.

01-08-2008 , 02:12 AM

viciousxp

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agreed..
id rather nto get it all in with AK pre flop, especially not that deep.

If your confortable with getting it all in pre flop against him then tahts how you play it but i prefer just calling the reraise and seeing a flop, if you hit on a dry board then get it all in ifyou can

01-08-2008 , 03:26 AM

Anycall

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I rarely flat call 3bets with AK. If I decide to flat call his 3bet, I need to be deep stacked and have position on him. I almost always 4bet this OOP. I fold as played.

01-08-2008 , 04:13 AM

Burro

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doesnt calling with ak here pretty much suck? we pretty much never get paid if we out flop QQ or JJ or if we hit ace on KK. also, we pretty much always lose a **** ton if we flop a king on AA.

01-08-2008 , 04:16 AM

TJ Eckleburg12

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I don't like the preflop 4-bet.

I much prefer just calling the 3-bet preflop OOP with AKo for deception value. OOP and heads up you can go for a check-raise if you hit or easily get away if you miss and give him credit.

01-08-2008 , 04:18 AM

hotbacon

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i think calling that 3bet oop with the intention of check/raising when you hit and c/f when you miss is pretty much burning money.

you hit the flop 1/3rd of the time, and you're very unlikely to get any action from there. and you're giving him the pot 2/3 of the time. seems silly to just call if that's your plan.

01-08-2008 , 04:29 AM

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Burro

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bacon, do u like 4 betting smaller here and fold to push or can u make a case for calling with a different flop plan than tj's???

01-08-2008 , 05:35 AM

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Bubblefish

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Isn’t this a plain pokerstove-question?

For this call to be right CO have to push with more than TT+, AQs+ ,AKo.

A more realistic but still probably to loose range (QQ+, AK+) gives a very negative EV. About -$32 if I am doing it right.

01-08-2008 , 05:40 AM

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TJ Eckleburg12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Burro

bacon, do u like 4 betting smaller here and fold to push or can u make a case for calling with a different flop plan than tj's???

4-betting ANY amount and folding to a push is TERRIBLE if Villain has QQ or JJ, which he frequently does here.

With a 4-bet, all that money in the pot PF gives us enough of an overlay that we'd HAVE to get it in at 47/53 against QQ.

Just call the 3-bet, c/r if hit, c/f most of the time if miss, and stack him if we've got him dominated.

01-08-2008 , 03:09 PM

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Burro

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i dont think a 23/19 is 5 bet shoving qq/jj deep the first time i 4 bet him. barring history i think a 5 bet shove here is almost always aa/kk

01-08-2008 , 03:23 PM

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hotbacon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12

lol name common flops where we will be stacking him frequently

01-08-2008 , 03:34 PM

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Burro

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how are we gonna stack him on flop???? by flopping a king on QQ??? lets be real

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