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200NL; AQ in 3bet pot; Value bet river or not? 200NL; AQ in 3bet pot; Value bet river or not?

04-10-2008 , 01:59 AM
Villain is 26/17.2/2.5 over 300 hands



Flop check good?

Should I fire here on the river?



Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BB: $234.35
UTG: $186.00
Hero (CO): $200.00
BTN: $228.65
SB: $256.15

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q A
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, SB raises to $28, 1 fold, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($58.00) A 4 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($58.00) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $44, Hero calls $44

River: ($146.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???
04-10-2008 , 02:22 AM
i bet the flop every time, he's usually trying to pot control 99-KK or some crappy suited ace that he decided to 3bet. he's very very rarely check/folding here b/c it's such a great flop to cbet that if he had air it'd be really silly of him to just give up.
04-10-2008 , 03:04 AM
do you guys have history together?? I typically dump AQo pf to 3bets unless there is some history. I like the flop check. Bettin here your really never gettin called by anything that you beat and a c/r from villian would be prety nasty. Turn is good too. If you think he calls river w/ like AJ then id probably bet like 1/2ish PSB to sqeeze some value out of him (maybe KK calls this too). Stat wise this guy seems decent tho so i dunno if your gettin called by much, but I think if your behind you def would have known by the river.

Once again i think it comes back down to preflop here. When you do hit your like TP hand your either going to be in akward situation or its going to be tough to extract value from a decent villian.
04-10-2008 , 03:07 AM
I don't really like calling a 3-bet here. I don't think your really that much farther ahead of any hand, and you could be dominated. Also, any pair is going to be way ahead of you on the flop, since you're going to miss 2/3 of the time. The fact that villain's stats are solid, in addition to a 3bet from the small blind woudl lead me to dump this hand preflop.

However, since you played it: I like the flop check here. It tends to induce a bet on the turn (like it did here), and you don't have to deal with a check-raise by villain. You have top pair, good kicker, but I don't think your hand is so strong that it should be creating a huge pot. You can try putting more money in on later streets.

I would guess that he has something like JJ (or another mid-big pair), and took a stab at the pot on the turn after your check, and now he's given up. I'd probably value-bet here, because I don't see villain trying his line of play with AA, AK, a seven,...etc. Honestly, the only hands you should be scared of are AA and AK, but you beat a lot more. Try and get a call out of AJs, but more than likely, you're not going to win much mroe money from this pot, because villain will fold on the river.

Last edited by Myrmidon7328; 04-10-2008 at 03:12 AM.
04-10-2008 , 04:17 AM
I would valuebet small on the river to get a crying call from KK since I think he rarely has an ace. I'd go with ~50 on river.
04-10-2008 , 04:30 AM
As to pre-flop I don't recall any crazy history with this guy...he 3bets me sometimes...whatever. But generally when villains have TAGgy stats and their attempt to steal % shows they understand position I tend to assume that they'll be 3betting light a lot in steal situations. This guy actually might not be the best opponent to make this assumption against....but at the time I made it.



Someone can just lock this thread through. I obviously should be betting the river here. I don't know why I posted this.
04-10-2008 , 05:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego05
This guy actually might not be the best opponent to make this assumption against....but at the time I made it.




Just to clarify I meant it might not be great to make this assumption against this guy because there is a decent gap between his PFR and his somewhat high VP$IP.


And also on a second look at his stats I notice a weird discrepancy in his stats between 200NL and 100NL. I wasn't aware of that discepancy at the time and I still don't really know what to make of it.
04-10-2008 , 05:54 AM
Preflop this is meh? History of 3 betting I call. As played its difficult to bet this flop and get much value from hands we beat. Obv if villain is likely to 3bet AJ from the blinds we can VB. I like this check on the flop as it keeps QQ, KK, JJ thinking they might still be good.
The turn call is ok as if we raise we take him of the hands we want to come along.
He checks the river which screams KK, QQ, JJ. Now its a case of betting as much as we think he's likely to call with a big PP. 1/2 pot and induce that crying call.
04-10-2008 , 06:31 AM
Once i get to the flop this is an auto-stackoff hand for me. If he has me beat, cooler.

So with that said it's all about how to extract the most value. He's either crusing us or has 2 or 3 outs on the flop so a check-behind is fine. When he bets the turn, i shove there because our line looks sort of bluffy at that point. We're just as likely to extract value from KK on the turn as we are on the river (villian is not firing again with that hand)....

Last edited by aggie; 04-10-2008 at 06:42 AM.
04-10-2008 , 06:49 AM
I usually play for stacks here.

      
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