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02-23-2010 , 12:11 PM
MP is a reg playing 20/15/2.4 with 4.3% 3bet over 1k hands. We have history where i stacked him twice this session, all in preflop. QQ vs TT and 66 vs AK

I only have 47 hands with BTN, where he's been playing 16/13/3 6.3% 3bet. Our history is that I stacked him with 87s on 779, when he held AA.

My image is LAG, playing 30/26/3.6 6% 3bet. My flop/turn cbet% is 75/51 (cant find the numbers for 3bet pots)

FWIW, this is €. I intended to 4bet to €58, but I wasnt used to the betting slide, since this was my first session.

Feel free to comment on every street. Is this an easy turn shove given the history, or what do you think here?

Entraction $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $200.00
SB: $208.75
BB: $151.37
Hero (UTG): $504.40
MP: $496.20
CO: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $6, MP calls $6, 1 fold, BTN raises to $27, 2 folds, Hero raises to $64, MP calls $58, BTN calls $37

Flop: ($195.00) K J 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $120.00, MP calls $120, BTN folds

Turn: ($435.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero? (€312 eff. stacks)
02-23-2010 , 12:33 PM
I dont like your flop sizing. Against what hands are you are valuebetting?
02-23-2010 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lnternet
I dont like your flop sizing. Against what hands are you are valuebetting?
How would you play the flop? Im betting small to try and get value from hands that think im weak with this bet sizing. I would think AK, KQs, maybe even worse given history. With this reasoning I need to be worried about JJ and KJs imo, maybe 1 ****** combo of 66.
02-23-2010 , 01:23 PM
if he's a reg he has exactly KK or JJ here so i would c/f

probably JJ

i mean i guess he could have AK but damn i dont think you are good here very often
02-23-2010 , 02:37 PM
he never has KJ or KQ here...

he might have AKo

but I agree to the poster above me.. this JJ so damn often

and Id lean forward to c/f turn

so c/f > shove > c/c
02-23-2010 , 02:39 PM
This is just such a weird hand (granted its deep) given he you get TWO GUYS coldcalling your 4bet, it just baffles me how anyone could ever have a range here that flats 4bets even this deep. I just have no idea to play tbh.
02-23-2010 , 02:59 PM
Well this is confusing because mp flats your open when you have some history getting it in pf with pp and Ak, so unless he is trapping hopping for a squeeze I cant see him being very strong here surely with that history he is 3betting Ak, KK, QQ and JJ so that leaves 66 or KQs KJs type of hand which I'm not to sure he would flat a 4bet with I don't know tbh just jam and close your eyes.
02-23-2010 , 03:48 PM
Ok, so MP calls you once and then coldcalls again after BTN squeezes and you 4-bet. When you 4-bet, you do it against BTN's squeeze who is 100bb deep, so MP can perceive your range at this point as being pretty wide given history. Yet, BTN looks like a pretty tight player, and he has yet to act and he can easily have JJ+, AK to shove them, so MP must take it into consideration when coldcalling. This pretty much means his play makes no sense unless he has a good enough hand to go for 100bb stacks against a tight reg, even though he wasn't pot committed at all. So this means something like JJ+, AK range for MP as well, and I personally think I'd fold JJ in this spot.

One may argue that it's unlikely he doesn't 3-bet these himself, but look at it this way: him calling your first raise with JJ+, AK is more likely than him calling you 4-bet with something other than JJ+, AK.

Furthermore, I think he wouldn't coldcall your 4-bet with KK, since the hand is too strong preflop but too vulnerable to an ace on the flop. Rather, he'd make a 5-bet and stick with it, as there's more than enough money in the pot already. This leaves us with AA, AK, QQ, JJ (sometimes). Of these, QQ folds on the flop, and the rest calls. So it's something like AA (1 combo), AK (6 combo), JJ (2 combo, I discounted 1 here). Given that, I'm not folding here and I think bet > c/c, as he will more often call with AK than he will bet them himself.

Hope that makes sense.
02-24-2010 , 11:00 AM
ty dustangel. thats sort of what I was thinking

      
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