Villain is 23/19/6.7 3bet%
No real reads, except that he likes to raise my cbet IP

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($198)
BB ($128)
UTG ($199)
UTG+1 ($23.95)
Hero ($202)
BTN ($257)

Dealt to Hero J A

UTG raises to $7, fold, Hero raises to $21, BTN calls $21, fold, fold, UTG calls $14

FLOP ($66) 6 9 J

UTG checks, Hero bets $38, BTN calls $38, UTG folds

TURN ($142) 6 9 J 7

Hero checks, BTN bets $68, Hero?


Same villain
went for deception as i think he will bluff this very often.
I mean, he will never overbet that big without the shizzles right?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($397)
BB ($206)
Hero ($434)
UTG+1 ($270)
CO ($373)
BTN ($280)

Dealt to Hero 4 A

Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 calls $6, fold, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($15) T T 7

Hero bets $9, UTG+1 calls $9

TURN ($33) T T 7 6

Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $18, Hero calls $18

RIVER ($69) T T 7 6 8

Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $237 (AI), Hero folds

UTG+1 wins $66

Cbet probably should've been bigger in hand1

1- i probably just c/f probably.

2- turn check is ??? , river fold is probably good.

Hand 2: If your check means weak, why would he value bet like this?

Yeah i know, i'm certain if i check villain will bluff this board.
But then you'd think he'd accomplish the same with overbetting a little less instead of a shove.

w/e not gonna think to much of it and consider a good fold i guess, unless it happens again

def folding h1
h2 is a sigh-fold without better reads

Edit: cb h1 bigger as it's 3 way and draw heavy, cut their odds for calling - they can win very often when the board runs out bad for us.

Do you think that makes villains play more honest?

i want to check the flop. Btn cc is a red flag; if we're ahead the most outs they have combined is 8. If btn checks behind we'll have a decent read that he's a weaker player, if he pots it then we can prob c/f.

UTG will prob 4bet with premiums once btn cc pre. So if UTG leads the turn, peeling will depend on how often you think he'll turn suited broadways into bluffs or how he'll value TT 98s QJs. Otherwise he's got all the set combos and the sometimes slowplayed overpair.

assuming you folded the first hand and there is no other history of you making light calls, then i think the overbet is just weak. It's not likely that he's attempting to polarize with the overbet so that you'll call with AA. It's like he half potted the turn then saw that he didn't get c/r so now he's spazzing.

Hand 1: I think a lot of the time he'll just have KK>cc 99 or some random sc then floating the flop and betting the turn

Hand 2: will be some kind of float that turned into a bad bluff>him flopping quads or turning/rivering a boat and expecting you to be slowplaying your flushes.

For hand1:
Not betting the flop wut?
If we check, he's betting his entire range, AQ TT AK the whole sjit.
We have a very good hand on this board... only verrryy small number of hands are better.
I folded the turn, yeah.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that I don't play as FPSY as I post

Reasons I think checking isn't worse than betting, are because we're only getting 2 streets of value and vs hands that will call multiple streets (TT QJs) I believe that a check bet bet line will be more effective then bet bet or bet check bet.

We're either pretty far ahead (vs both) or way behind, so giving free cards is less of an issue. Even if an overcard binks on the turn we still might get 1 bet, which is prob the same number as if we'd cbet. A small positive consideration is that they will both have rio on turns that improve us.

If we can check and get a bet out of hands that would otherwise fold, then I think that's a win for us. Another consideration is that if btn is weaker, then he might be more willing to bet worse hands for 'protection' (putting us on AK) if we cbet then check a blank turn; which will make cbet c/f line more problematic.

Let me say that the way you played the hand is usually what I do too.