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11-21-2008 , 07:30 PM

#26

OMGBarackObama

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 763

i think b/f is best, because if you check he may shove KQ, AQ that floated and picked up a draw, QTs,or AK himself. If you bet and he shoves, then atleast you know he's got a set and you can fold.

11-21-2008 , 08:26 PM

#27

vaughn345

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 651

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMGBarackObama

i think b/f is best, because if you check he may shove KQ, AQ that floated and picked up a draw, QTs,or AK himself. If you bet and he shoves, then atleast you know he's got a set and you can fold.

KQ and QTs are not in his range barring a small sample size on the stats or some other read. the only aq that picked up a draw is adqd, that's miniscule, and i would not assume he is bluffing that unless i have a note on him. if he has ak he wants showdown as fast as possible. if you really don't want to be tempted into calling a bet once you check then fine, bet 1/3 of the pot, but you're just paying for state of mind imo.

11-22-2008 , 01:19 AM

#28

lledney

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 875

Quote:

KQ and QTs are not in his range barring a small sample size

ya come on guys, don't level yourselves into putting him on the one hand that you beat(and the one that he almost never has) he has AK, 77, JJ way more often than KQ here.

i still b/f tho cuz it's cheaper than c/c. and c/f is still pretty weak.

11-22-2008 , 05:17 AM

#29

Kimpan

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Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,064

c/c is awful,
why is c/f weak when all the hands we beat check this behind and he virtually never bluffs the river since he wont have air here.

11-22-2008 , 06:55 AM

#30

Magaca

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 890

Quote:

Originally Posted by cs3

b/f 65. youre almost always good here but he checks back weaker KX and JXdd etc.
and he only shoves jj/77/KJ

b/f > shove > c/f > c/c

11-22-2008 , 11:46 AM

#31

French Affair

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 37

Most of you says that c/f this river is pretty weak, but almost everyone agree than the only hand in his range we can extract value from is KQ.

So do you think KQ (where we win a value bet, so 50-60$) is more frequent than 77, JJ or KJ (where we lose our value bet) here ?

If we add the facts than we're not sure than KQo is in his range of preflop call, and than we're not sure he call our river value bet with it I think we lose the 50$ way more often than we win it.

I'm not really sure it's an easy c/f here, certainly close between both but can't agree with "if you c/f here you play bad" (even more without explanations)