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05-20-2016 , 07:35 AM

Darsolation

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100 zoom reg, he had a high f2 3b mixed with high rfi so decided to widen 3b a bit here. No relevant 3bpot stats due to sample.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37336535

BTN: $100 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
BB: $238.83 (238.8 bb)
UTG: $151.01 (151 bb)
MP: $149.10 (149.1 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

2 folds, CO raises to $2.02, BTN folds, Hero raises to $7.07, BB folds, CO calls $5.05

Flop: ($15.14) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.90, Hero calls $7.90

Turn: ($30.94) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($30.94) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $85.03 and is all-in

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05-20-2016 , 08:11 AM

IClickButtons

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Are you seriousely going to call this? Flop check is suspicious.

05-20-2016 , 08:37 AM

Darsolation

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IClickButtons

Are you seriousely going to call this? Flop check is suspicious.

are we check-folding 100% otr?

05-20-2016 , 10:06 AM

Franchise804

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Darsolation

are we check-folding 100% otr?

No, but we are folding here. We need to x/c the flop with KK and some AQs combos to prevent villain from doing this.

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05-21-2016 , 06:25 AM

dboy23

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Villain might expect hero to vbet river with all the Ax hands he can have here. Maybe he thinks the only hand you can have here that can call is KK.

It's an interesting spot.

If villain bets a normal ammt I'm sure you can call in this spot a decent ammt of the time, and he might know that. Leads me to believe he might only have bluffs here.

77 makes some sense but is only 3 combos and what does he expect you to herocall him with really? Would be a ridiculous FPS way for him to play AA but maaaaybe.

I can't be certain what he is up to here so would tend to fold but I understand why you would want to call here. If we have more reads it can definitely be a call.

05-22-2016 , 02:43 AM

Darsolation

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Franchise804

No, but we are folding here. We need to x/c the flop with KK and some AQs combos to prevent villain from doing this.

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but surely we bet KK OTR and dont arrive in this spot? Also even 4 combos of AQs we take this line with for balance isnt enough, so just using those for calls until more information?

05-23-2016 , 04:10 AM

swoni

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ild call

05-23-2016 , 07:49 AM

just_grindin

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Can villain ever bet the river credibly with any sizing that we should x/c? If villain chooses to bet smaller it's more than likely a c/f because it's a value heavy bet and if the sizing is really big we have a difficult time coming up with enough bluffs. Would an alternative line to x/c x/c be better?

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05-23-2016 , 11:16 AM

JoseMourinho

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Quote:

Originally Posted by just_grindin

Would an alternative line to x/c x/c be better?

well, its a board we should be cbetting with our whole range, so there goes that...

05-23-2016 , 12:40 PM

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just_grindin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoseMourinho

well, its a board we should be cbetting with our whole range, so there goes that...

I think I either mispoke or was misinterpreted I'm advocating lines that aren't x/c,x/c after the flop or even otf if you like.

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05-23-2016 , 08:56 PM

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Darsolation

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoseMourinho

well, its a board we should be cbetting with our whole range, so there goes that...

How is KK or QQ a cbet flop with 100% freq?

05-25-2016 , 09:42 AM

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Franchise804

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Darsolation

but surely we bet KK OTR and dont arrive in this spot? Also even 4 combos of AQs we take this line with for balance isnt enough, so just using those for calls until more information?

What is our river value betting range in this spot, then? I would probably check with KK here to protect the majority of my range that is too weak to bet here. Ideally, we probably bet one combo of KK and check the other one (maybe cbet the third?)

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05-25-2016 , 10:44 AM

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F_Ivanovic

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Villain has AT/AJ.

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