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100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call? 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

11-20-2007 , 06:53 PM
This is the 2nd hand of the session and I’m villain is an unknown. I was wondering what your play would be on the turn after he shoves into you. There were two things I took into consideration in this hand for my decision. 1) He led after I raised pf and called my raise when I flopped top pair. 2) He shoved in for a half stack on the turn.

Could his line be a flush draw, QT kind of hand or more towards KJ, 77,JJ.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $183.75
Hero (CO): $100
BTN: $149.20
SB: $48.15
BB: $97.60
UTG: $34.85

Pre-Flop: Q K dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($8) K J 7 (2 Players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $14, SB calls $10

Turn: ($36) 5 (2 Players)
SB bets $30.65 and is All-In
11-20-2007 , 07:01 PM
gross spot. id robably fold here since he led into us, called our raise, and shoved a blank turn. were only ahead of K10 or a wierd J.
11-20-2007 , 07:03 PM
snap call? you need about 30% equity, which imo you easily have


3,344 games 0.047 secs 71,148 games/sec

Board: Kc Jc 7s 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.762% 29.81% 03.95% 997 132.00 { KdQh }
Hand 1: 66.238% 62.29% 03.95% 2083 132.00 { 77, 55, AJs, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs+, K7s, K5s, QcTc, J7s, J5s, 75s, KTo+, K7o, K5o, J7o, J5o, 75o }
11-20-2007 , 07:03 PM
Snap-call. I never give these kind of players respect
11-20-2007 , 07:05 PM
seems like a hard laydown. let it go and get some more info on him before making a tough call like this.
11-20-2007 , 07:05 PM
or if you assume no flushdraws or combo draws (which we are ahead of) then you have like 28% equity and i still call
11-20-2007 , 07:06 PM
Quote:
snap call? you need about 30% equity, which imo you easily have


3,344 games 0.047 secs 71,148 games/sec

Board: Kc Jc 7s 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.762% 29.81% 03.95% 997 132.00 { KdQh }
Hand 1: 66.238% 62.29% 03.95% 2083 132.00 { 77, 55, AJs, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs+, K7s, K5s, QcTc, J7s, J5s, 75s, KTo+, K7o, K5o, J7o, J5o, 75o }
that range is reaaaaaaaaaally wide considering we know nothing about him
11-20-2007 , 07:08 PM
yeah i think goldfish's range is too wide given hes an unknown. id want a little more info to decide hes doing this with a draw
11-20-2007 , 07:08 PM
Thats true, but villian will show up with alot of hands outside that range too.

Any PT stats on him?
11-20-2007 , 07:11 PM
Quote:
Thats true, but villian will show up with alot of hands outside that range too.

Any PT stats on him?
no stats, thats the point
11-20-2007 , 07:17 PM
I have stats now on villain but yes... this was the 2nd hand of the session, so I didn't have anything on him. The reason I was worried with this call of my raise, and then an insta shove on the turn was that if he had a flush or straight draw, he would've shoved over the top of my raise on the flop since he's half stacked. By just calling, I figure he already has a made hand. The question is whether its more likely hes holding KQ,KT,K9 or hands that beat me.
11-20-2007 , 07:21 PM
Is it possible he has smth like K6 or AJ and feels committed on the turn (he should feel committed anyways)?
11-20-2007 , 07:21 PM
his line is very weird, i'd call this and be neutral about it. i mean, who calls a c/r on the flop then pushes on a blank. i think his hand is either a flush draw or a handrange that has you in a bad shape. but with 2:1 odds, you can't possibly ever fold this against shortstack. if he had AK, at least you didn't lose much. you'll get it back eventually.
11-20-2007 , 07:26 PM
If he has a flush draw, he shoves over the top on the flop. So I don't put him on that.

And he calls a c/r on the flop and pushes on a blank if he's protecting a made hand and making sure he gets the money in...

Golfdish your line makes no sense...
11-20-2007 , 07:32 PM
Im not saying its how id play it, but youd be suprised what alot of "unknowns" show up with here. imo if youre beat its by K5 or J5, im not giving him credit for betting the flop with 2 pair and then flatting a RR.
11-20-2007 , 07:33 PM
why wouldnt he push any hand he is open pushing the turn with. it doesnt make any sense. against players with nonsensical lines i call and make a note, you have a pretty good hand and better odds.
11-20-2007 , 07:41 PM
I guess I have to call because it's just more likely his range for an unknown half stack is at the bottom end rather than the top end. I don't think he hits two pair here unless its KJ, because I don't see players calling J5,K5 out of position in a raised pot. Or do I give too much credit...
11-20-2007 , 07:43 PM
snap call
11-20-2007 , 07:54 PM
For some reason when I call this (and this is an easy call, btw), villain shows up with middle pair no draw more often than not.
11-20-2007 , 07:55 PM
yeah snap call, this is rarely a better hand in my experience
11-20-2007 , 07:56 PM
this guy has QJ and JT so often with this stupid line
11-20-2007 , 07:59 PM
callllllll

      
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