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03-12-2011 , 09:14 AM

jaxx

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,866

BB plays 54/22/2 for 47 hands, no big reads on his postflop game, I saw him limp/shove AK utg for around 30bb, and later he almost tripled by catching flush vs overpair and set - he bet the flush on the turn and called a shove

BTN is playing 68/12/1.9 for 122 hands, I haven't seen him do anything out of line

NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($100)
BB ($200.18)
Hero ($100)
CO ($100)
BTN ($108.32)

Dealt to Hero J

Hero raises to $3.5, fold, BTN calls $3.5, fold, BB calls $2.5

FLOP ($11) 4

BB checks, Hero bets $8.24, BTN calls $8.24, BB calls $8.24

TURN ($35.72) 4

BB checks, Hero bets $21.86, BTN folds, BB raises to $49

Hero (has $66.40 more) ?

03-12-2011 , 10:44 AM

craiggerz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,487

Why are we betting?

03-12-2011 , 11:06 AM

jaxx

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,866

Quote:

Originally Posted by craiggerz

Why are we betting?

to get value from pair hands and flush draws

03-12-2011 , 11:12 AM

Into2ndWind

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,683

i mean he has a flush, so i call and bink it

03-12-2011 , 12:00 PM

Seta-Ben

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by craiggerz

Why are we betting?

BB plays 54/22/2

BTN is playing 68/12/1.9

this?

03-12-2011 , 12:12 PM

curve

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,294

well call turn then and call a riverbet

03-12-2011 , 12:17 PM

craiggerz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,487

Quote:

Originally Posted by craiggerz

Why are we betting?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxx

to get value from pair hands and flush draws

Ok, so would he raise with these?

Do the math.

I also think it's optimistic to think betting here is more +EV then checking with top set, although of all diamonds to bet this is probably the best one.

Last edited by craiggerz; 03-12-2011 at 12:24 PM.

03-12-2011 , 02:02 PM

jayvechi

adept

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 746

I prefer bet folding turn over c/c. I'm defo folding to the rr.

03-12-2011 , 04:38 PM

jaxx

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,866

Quote:

Originally Posted by craiggerz

Ok, so would he raise with these?

Probably no. But when I bet I do not know that I will be raised

03-12-2011 , 04:45 PM

#10

jaxx

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,866

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayvechi

I prefer bet folding turn over c/c. I'm defo folding to the rr.

we are getting 1:3.14 on his raise, so we will need to improve on the river 24% (if he has nothing weaker than a flush). We will improve 23%, but we have implied odds for the rest of our stack. Also sometimes we are not beat on the turn. But if we only call, can we fold the river getting million to 1? probably no...
Thoughts?

03-12-2011 , 04:53 PM

#11

sluggger5x

John Connor of poker

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,592

C/c turn with the intention of c/c lots of rivers.

03-12-2011 , 06:48 PM

#12

Morat

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 101

I like the bet against these players, but the raise is 95%+ of the time a made flush. Odds make this a call, but I would c/f river unimproved, even if we seem to be committed.

03-12-2011 , 11:09 PM

#13

StephenKnight86

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 446

I think if you were so worried about his flush draw on the flop you should have bet the flop w/e thats fine.

on the turn if you think he made his flush and you know he wont fold it then just check call his $20 raise and hope you fill up on the river or get quads if not fold and you still only paid your $20 but got to see this river in this case and maybe win.

03-13-2011 , 05:44 AM

#14

Obey the Odds

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,571

call turn with the intention of calling most rivers...

03-13-2011 , 09:00 AM

#15

chytry

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,355

pot flop

03-13-2011 , 01:14 PM

#16

sgxou

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 920

call turn (as you have the [implied] odds), eventually call river.

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