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100NL - TT - standard? 100NL - TT - standard?

01-18-2008 , 11:46 AM
UTG is 22/16/2.72 (373 hands)

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (CO): $114.70
BTN: $109.15
SB: $19.75
BB: $105.30
UTG: $187.45

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) 3 7 3 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $8, Hero calls $8, SB folds

Turn: ($27.50) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($63.50) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $157.95 all in, Hero folds

standard?
01-18-2008 , 11:49 AM
nh
01-18-2008 , 11:52 AM
I would raise the flop/turn to get information. Must fold river.
01-18-2008 , 11:56 AM
I probably 3b this pre - a 22/16 is opening a wide range and you are ahead of it, would be nice to take it down here.
01-18-2008 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krasserpan
I would raise the flop/turn to get information. Must fold river.
hmm.. that doesn't sound very good imo.

I wouldn't mind a 3bet pf even though he is UTG. Calling as you did is fine as well.
01-18-2008 , 12:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krasserpan
I would raise the flop/turn to get information. Must fold river.
no,no,no. raising for information 100bb deep is bad bad bad.

-> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...63&page=0&vc=1
01-18-2008 , 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coldi
no,no,no. raising for information 100bb deep is bad bad bad.

-> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...63&page=0&vc=1
Just have read the article and discovered, that raising for information is bad
01-18-2008 , 12:21 PM
I think raising flop is fine too, you'll get to a showdown cheaper on average imo
01-18-2008 , 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EarnestEager
I think raising flop is fine too, you'll get to a showdown cheaper on average imo
and miss value from a lot of hands you beat/bluffs
01-18-2008 , 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EarnestEager
I think raising flop is fine too, you'll get to a showdown cheaper on average imo
If you raise flop and the opponent goes on I think you mostly abadon the hand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bubaloo
and miss value from a lot of hands you beat/bluffs
Is his range not wide enough to protect the hand against it? He is 22/16 and can open with a lot of different hands ..
Didnt I understand the article? Didnt it say, if the range is wider raise for protection? =(
01-18-2008 , 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubaloo
and miss value from a lot of hands you beat/bluffs
hands you beat and cbet/bluffs are also mostly hands you dont want to see A/K/Q/J on the turn/river with. I would narrow his range down and make an easier fold to resistance.
01-18-2008 , 12:37 PM
@cuqa: It mainly said do it only if you are deeper. It also says: raising for information with 100bb is bad.
01-18-2008 , 12:41 PM
QUOTE OUT OF THE ARTICLE:
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Well, lets say solid / good slightly loose player in said foxwoods game opens for 20 in MP. You have button and contemplate popping it up with 99, but call anyway. At this point villain's hand range is NOT just "AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ" but premium hands, maybe 88+, AK, AQ, and an occaisonal suited connector.

So same flop comes - 7 5 2r - and villain makes a pot bet. Is raising for information more viable now? The answer is yes. You have a vulnerable hand which rates to be good on this board, but also can be way behind (bigger overpair) and his occaisonal raise of a suited connector could give him an oesd, or a pair (and you dont know which cards hurt) or just overcards. In this example, if you call the flop, on the turn you need to basically only see a 9, or perhaps a T or J. Any other card could give him potentially the winning hand, if he doesnt have the best hand now.

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Is a foxwood game a deep game?
01-18-2008 , 12:41 PM
i havent read the article, but imo you want to keep his range wide b/c when you narrow it down by raising, you are up against more hands in his range that are ahead of TT (as you fold out some weaker hands in his range). whereas when you keep his range wide by just calling, you let him value town himself with 88 or whatever and let him keep bluffing w/Ak (albeit a terrible spot to bluff)

edit: also, i dont usually worry about protecting vs AK here. well, he'll hit 25% of the time and you lose money, but when you raise him off it you miss value from the 75% of the time that he misses and keeps bluffing. i would raise if the board was more drawy tho.
01-18-2008 , 12:45 PM
How often do ppl 2nd barrel with AK and whats the odds that he has 22-99 instead of lots of suited connectors, AT+, KJ+ where you dont know if he fires a 2nd barrel with?

I like raise much more in that hand imo :/
01-18-2008 , 12:48 PM
i think this is a pretty solid line, but sometimes i would raise the flop kinda small to try and take control of the hand against a fishier opponent maybe.
01-18-2008 , 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubaloo
i havent read the article, but imo you want to keep his range wide b/c when you narrow it down by raising, you are up against more hands in his range that are ahead of TT (as you fold out some weaker hands in his range). whereas when you keep his range wide by just calling, you let him value town himself with 88 or whatever and let him keep bluffing w/Ak (albeit a terrible spot to bluff)

edit: also, i dont usually worry about protecting vs AK here. well, he'll hit 25% of the time and you lose money, but when you raise him off it you miss value from the 75% of the time that he misses and keeps bluffing. i would raise if the board was more drawy tho.
I can see where you're coming from. Depends on aggressiveness of villain how much value you can get from the c/c line. But in this case it's probably the best.
01-18-2008 , 01:48 PM
I think your line is fine.

Against a frequent c-bettor, I like to mix in the flop raise for protection.

By the river, this looks like 3 streets of value from villain.
01-18-2008 , 01:54 PM
I think you played it fine

      
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