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100NL: rivered weak top pair lead into. 100NL: rivered weak top pair lead into.

02-14-2010 , 09:51 AM
Reads
Villain seemed like a reg, but he cbet, checked back and called with AA on K83ss Q 5(CO vs BB), he obviously read my soul though as i had KQ.
He's running like 25/22 over small sample.

Thoughts
Pre-flop was a mistake i believe. Im not sure if river is a call or not, it completes some stuff like TJ/AJ/QT..

Ongame Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $106.00
Hero (BTN): $159.70
SB: $155.05
BB: $100.00
UTG: $102.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 5 J
2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($5.50) 9 8 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB calls $3

Turn: ($11.50) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.50) J (2 players)
BB bets $9.00, Hero?
02-14-2010 , 10:31 AM
Fold his bet in the river watch of the strength. Vilain has surement Q10,QJ or 9J
02-14-2010 , 10:38 AM
I think it's a pretty easy fold against a stereotypical 25/22 pf calling range here. I don't think there's many draws in his range since he flatted the small flop bet, and pp's aren't betting and turning their hands into bluffs since the jack's a scare card.
02-14-2010 , 10:56 AM
if hes good enough to hand read well and use good pot control lines then i think its possible that this could be a call.
02-14-2010 , 11:00 AM
Yeah I'm a hypocrite. I call here the first time practically always just to see what villain has so I can note. Also I was making too many presumptions about how villain played just because he was a 25/22 but lots of people with those stats will play differently postflop.

Last edited by guitarizt; 02-14-2010 at 11:06 AM.
02-14-2010 , 11:02 AM
Call. Thats a card that hits enough of his range that he can bet as a bluff but there are still enough bluff hands in his range that folding getting 2.x:1 is really terrible.
02-14-2010 , 04:03 PM
Ty for replys

Results:
Spoiler:
Villain showed QTo
02-14-2010 , 04:43 PM
spots like this where you instinctually feel beat just trust yourself.
02-14-2010 , 04:58 PM
definite call, don't post results so soon.
02-15-2010 , 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Into2ndWind
spots like this where you instinctually feel beat just trust yourself.
You think i should fold if i think im beat?
I did think i was going to loose fairly often, but a lot of people here are saying it's a call, doesn't that make my instincts wrong?

Quote:
Originally Posted by derekl
don't post results so soon.
K, ill try not to in future.
02-15-2010 , 01:08 PM
After thinking about this hand more I think call > fold especially since it's the first time you've gotten into a spot like this with villain. You only need to be right 45% of the time to breakeven. And the info of being able to see what he shows down is worth something. Folding is pretty weak. I think this is a pretty tight range for villain so at worst I think you're doing well enough to call the river and at best a river call is +ev and folding would be a mistake.

Quote:
Board: 9s 8s 8h 2d Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.741% 40.74% 00.00% 11 0.00 { Jd5h }
Hand 1: 59.259% 59.26% 00.00% 16 0.00 { TT, AJs, AsTs, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KJs, QTs, JTs, AJo
So you saw he flatted you with QTo instead of 3b'ing. I think that's some good info to know about villain.
02-15-2010 , 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarizt
After thinking about this hand more I think call > fold especially since it's the first time you've gotten into a spot like this with villain. You only need to be right 45% of the time to breakeven. And the info of being able to see what he shows down is worth something. Folding is pretty weak. I think this is a pretty tight range for villain so at worst I think you're doing well enough to call the river and at best a river call is +ev and folding would be a mistake.



So you saw he flatted you with QTo instead of 3b'ing. I think that's some good info to know about villain.
Where do u guys get your numbers? Its more like 30%
02-15-2010 , 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarizt
After thinking about this hand more I think call > fold especially since it's the first time you've gotten into a spot like this with villain. You only need to be right 45% of the time to breakeven. And the info of being able to see what he shows down is worth something. Folding is pretty weak. I think this is a pretty tight range for villain so at worst I think you're doing well enough to call the river and at best a river call is +ev and folding would be a mistake.



So you saw he flatted you with QTo instead of 3b'ing. I think that's some good info to know about villain.
ur ranges are so messed up

1) he has JTo, QJo, QTo in his range, especially vs a 2.5x button raise, as well as J9s which you didnt include in your range
2) he might raise flush draws on flop
3) he can have t7s
4) he has no reason to bet nut flush draw missed on river
5) his bet is fairly strong
6) your basically hoping he has KQss that didnt 3b preflop, or raise the flop, or 67, that, again, decided not to raise the flop on a good enough board to do it.
7) his hand just reeks of floated gutter w/ overs, and his most likely hand is in fact QTo. (when i mean reeks of floated gutter is i mean i expect him to 3b hands like 67s 97s and call with his unsuited broadways, and i expect him to c/c flop with QJ/QT, and i expect him to put in a decent valuebet on the river.)

OP you came to these conclusions subconciously and your instinct told you to fold. go with it.

Last edited by Into2ndWind; 02-15-2010 at 01:40 PM.
02-16-2010 , 07:06 AM
Oh, i understand now. thnx guys

      
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