3bettor is decent reg, 25/22/2.6 and 3b 9, over some hundreds of hands. Isolator is 39/30/1.3 fish.



[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $0.50/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23192101

BTN: $188.92 (377.8 bb)
SB: $100.50 (201 bb)
MP: $240.92 (481.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $114.25 (228.5 bb)
CO: $123.57 (247.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN raises to $4, SB raises to $14, Hero calls $13, 2 folds

Flop: ($33) T 9 J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($33) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $20.90, Hero calls $20.90

River: ($74.80) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $35.90, Hero folds



I cannot be sure if 4b/gii is a good line here as the reg knows that fish will likely call his 3b. At least this was my thought process in real time as I missed the fact that f3b for fish is 67% (2/3). The reg f4b is 1 in 3 occasions.

His postflop line makes me believe that I was against AA/KK so I am happy with my play, but will be happy to hear any opinion about every street. Thanx in advance

I think we need to 4bet pre, his 3bet range is wide and should be wider since he is 3betting a button iso and CO is deep so we dont want him coming along IP. . AP OTF you definitely need to bet and go for at least 2 streets of value. We are only beat by a slowplayed AA/KK, we can fold out equity (Axs, Kxs and AK that are giving up) and we can get value off Tx and Jx.

Call riv as played. Your hand is severely underrepped.

Think flop is a range bet/value bet. Betting leaves you some good options depending on the runout.

Unhappily calling river :/

I'd have played every street differently, except for the turn I guess.

Why are you guys calling river? He's bluffing often in that spot?

you should have a very wide range isolating so i like your 3bet call, so villain being good will try to steal here, vbet flop is a must imo if a K,7,8,q,A peels were not liking it we will either be bluffed off the pot or lose value, plus flop hits part of our perceived range so we will be bluffing a lot here.

as played idk, villain range is wide and can easily have a 9, delayed cbet maybe with jx? his river bet stinks of value but you have underrepped your hand x/flop so i think i am calling its close, but QQ is like having a good j, ..close lol would you call with AJ?..

I almost cannot believe that I did not see any "move down fish" type of comment yet. Almost ashamed to post this one but sthg did not feel right here.

Obv the 4b/gii line with QQ is 100% legit as a rule, but here the action, this reg 3betting this aggrofishy villain OOP tells me he prob has the nuts. Looking back, I guess 10s-JJ and AK are in his range preflop, but in real time my gut was telling me I was crushed all the way down. Don't think he is 3betting light too often here.

The structure of this flop is kinda spewey despite the OE imo. Unless he's got AK and the unlikely AQ, he either has an overpair that he will sigh/gii if I bet, or he just hit his set with 10s/JJ and is going for a x/r. A bet on my side will commit me. Maybe a disciplined nitty turn fold is the right play, following my read.

Calling river is out of the question for me. I agree with val, after my call ott I cannot see him bluffing. The guy seems to be planning to unhappily b/call with some overpair, having found himself committed the way the hand was played, or vbetting a fh.

I know this will sound lolbad to most but any opinions on 4betting and folding if he comes over the top preflop? Can't really see him 5betting JJ or AK.

One final thought, flatting keeps the fish involved.

The SB should be a lot wider than you're assuming imo. Party's HH's are terrible, and I thought you actually were 200BB deep when I first posted. 100BB deep (like I now realize you actually are) I'd be 4b calling this all day. Flatting is fine though.

4b/call pre

I guess flop is fine...not sure what we are getting value from if we bet

as played, calling river

You can 4bet/call pre.

Given the preflop line, you're towards the bottom of your perceived range. The bottom of your perceived range seems like AQ, AJ and QQ. You have all the sets and full houses in your perceived range, and even a straight sometimes.

When you don't bet the flop, you cap that range to the straight (feasible to check the nuts here imo), and the weaker stuff. Sets probably bet flop. Most of the time, anyways.

That means you have 4 combos of something that's happy, 6 combos of something that's not that happy, and 3 combos of something that's unhappy.

Now, if he has KK, he can bet two streets here because of combinatorics. If he has AA, he's a little more uncertain. Doesn't mean he won't bet, but it makes him a little more uncertain.

The way you played it, I think you played it well.

Oh, and move down fish.

Everyone who suggested 4b/call, did you notice we are 200bb deep? Or there is something wrong with the HH ?

it's an error in hand history .. it's 100nl actually.. (see fish limps 1bb for 1$, also in a title it says 100nl)

Yeah, it is 100nl, forgot to correct it manually.

AJ and KQ are not in my perceived range imo. We have some history of some hundreds of hands, I presume he sees am as laggy reg but not complete spew monkey.

I compl agree that all sets are in my range but I chicken out a bit cos they are in his range as well. Having said that if I bet the flop I turn my hand into a semibluff and try to make him fold out AA/KK and AK. The problem is that with AQ, QQ and even KK being in my range I do not expect him to fold the premiums, he will prob sigh and gii.

I have never used stove and am not a math-approach freak, but am sure my hand does not do too well against his range and my FE is limited. Tbh I recently caught myself not being capable of taking the foot off the gas, and am at least happy I managed to avoid getting stacked in a spot that was likely a cooler.

Many thanks for the analysis guys. I try to play the player and the situation, not the absolute strength of my hands. Here I played with my read and took a cautious line but prob needed to discuss this one, maybe there is a lot to learn at 100nl. There is a chance I leveled myself a bit too much but I guess being disciplined is key for success in playing the lag.

Just for the story I am just shottaking the level. I only reg it sometimes, because in this I luck discipline.

on what range you are putting him after he have bet the river ?

This. Flop check is good. Don't want to get XR and we aren't going for 3 streets anyway.

River, I don't mind either.