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08-25-2011 , 02:21 PM

Nutbar

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 767

[converted_hand][hand_history]Everleaf, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $154.13 (154.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $223.92 (223.9 bb)
BB: $203.77 (203.8 bb)
CO: $128.10 (128.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

CO folds, BTN raises to $4, Hero ???

Villain was a 27/22/2.4 over 390 hands. His BTN opening range was 45% out of 33. His fold to 3bet was 38% out of 8. His 4bet was 38% out of 8. No reads/history w/villain. We were 150bb deep. So, should I flat or 3bet, how much, and why? Thx for all responses.

08-25-2011 , 02:38 PM

beserious

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Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 971

How can you not 3bet here? I'd only consider not 3betting (and flatting instead) if he perceived you as a total nit, in which case flatting would gain some deception value. I'd 3bet quite large though (with your entire range) since you are deep oop -- maybe to 17 or so.

08-25-2011 , 02:51 PM

flip4stax

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 16

fold pre

08-25-2011 , 03:31 PM

Nutbar

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 767

Ok, so I 3bet, and I get 4bet. What now and why?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Everleaf, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $154.13 (154.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $223.92 (223.9 bb)
BB: $203.77 (203.8 bb)
CO: $128.10 (128.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

CO folds, BTN raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, BB folds, BTN raises to $25, Hero ???

08-25-2011 , 03:44 PM

kkMartini

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 167

Based on stats, his 4 bet range here definetly have some bluffs. I am for sure not folding to his 4bet. But if we call, there are two flops we hate Axx, Kxx, I guess on these flops we give up, but on the others call down, or check/raise.

08-25-2011 , 04:37 PM

FourSix4

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 33

5bet

08-25-2011 , 04:41 PM

Suzukishosan

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,303

we need to know your stats and any relevant history / dynamics

08-25-2011 , 11:45 PM

the_colossus2008

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkMartini

The irony is any none A or K flop you will wish you shoved. As he's much more likely to have AK then AA/KK.

08-26-2011 , 01:17 AM

its4thecatlol

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 386

3-bet/5bet/call and smash keyboard ldo.

The big problem imo is the size of the 3-bet. In a btn vs co situation, yeah that's fine. But you are deep and OOP vs. someone who you shouldn't be bluffing. Your range is going to be skewed towards value as a result of his own station tendencies.

I'd be making it like $18 tbh.

Other than that yep I'm getting it in. You'd need some really sick reads to be able to flat-call this and hope to make enough money postflop.

08-26-2011 , 01:42 AM

#10

B1ingB1angB1aow

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,166

I very much doubt you EVER cib/tiny raise 5bet bluff here.

Just jam, rep AK etc make it look like you didnt see you were deep

08-26-2011 , 01:47 AM

#11

its4thecatlol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by B1ingB1angB1aow

I very much doubt you EVER cib/tiny raise 5bet bluff here.

Just jam, rep AK etc make it look like you didnt see you were deep

Hmm when I read this I thought it was a very good option but after thinking about it I'm not sure. This could work vs. like JJ, but does TT/99 4-bet? I doubt it.

The majority of your monies here come from him tilt/spewing it off, which by his apparent recent stats doesn't look too far-fetched.

08-26-2011 , 02:26 AM

#12

B1ingB1angB1aow

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I live by the rule of "there are more combos of AK then AA and KK"

08-26-2011 , 02:44 AM

#13

alextrev1111

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,032

I would 5b to like 48/call..give some percieved fold equity. no point really shoving imo, doesnt give him a chance to bluff jam his Ax and other hands that his decided to spazz out and 4b you with, also lets him consider folding AK pre when u just jam.

08-26-2011 , 03:01 AM

#14

B1ingB1angB1aow

adept

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,166

5betting small needs a dynamique imo

Im sure for instance me vs u Alex it would be a fist pump 5bet call for you with QQ same as im doing kartwheels around my desk to get in AK vs your small 5bet.

But i doubt op has that kind of history given he is posting the hand

08-26-2011 , 04:51 AM

#15

Nirwanda

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7,699

Unless I wanted to get it in pre (which I would have no problem with against said villain though) I would probably flat pre. I don't like playing bloated pots OOP.

08-26-2011 , 04:58 AM

#16

ziggyzaooo

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,936

his fold to 3bet is super low, I jam here very happily. flattin the 4bet and check/jamming any flop would be pretty cool but a bit complex if board comes poopoo for you. so just jam pre.

08-26-2011 , 12:13 PM

#17

its4thecatlol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirwanda

Unless I wanted to get it in pre (which I would have no problem with against said villain though) I would probably flat pre. I don't like playing bloated pots OOP.

Flat the 4-bet, right? How are you playing this postflop? I feel like that's such a difficult approach to take.

08-26-2011 , 01:04 PM

#18

Nirwanda

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Nope, I mean flatting the 2bet. We miss some value pre against some hands but, well.

08-26-2011 , 03:49 PM

#19

its4thecatlol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirwanda

Nope, I mean flatting the 2bet. We miss some value pre against some hands but, well.

Very RO imo, the dude is calling off very wide.

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