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11-10-2009 , 10:52 PM

AnonyOne

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UTG 16/14 over 200 hands or so. BB is 60/5. Haven't played any significant hands with UTG up until this point.

Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($79.58)
SB ($103.90)
BB ($100.50)
UTG ($138.90)
Hero (MP) ($311.91)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J

, J

BB calls $1, UTG bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50, 2 folds, BB calls $3.50

Flop: ($15) 7

, 3

, 7

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($32) 3

(2 players)
UTG bets $17, Hero calls $17

River: ($66) 10

(2 players)
UTG bets $50, Hero folds

Total pot: $66 | Rake: $3.50

Thoughts on my line? Am I ever folding the turn or calling the river?

11-10-2009 , 11:05 PM

johnnybeef

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Villain has no idea that you have an overpair. Call river.

11-10-2009 , 11:09 PM

SykoraG

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cant really fold anywhere here, except I expect you to run into qq - aa alot here. I think you see random bluffs and 99 - 1010 as much as you see qq - aa therefore its a call and if villain is super aggro it becomes even more of a call.

11-10-2009 , 11:12 PM

mg0698

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pretty clear fold imo UTG 3 barrels, bets flop multiway with a fish, also now TT got there also

11-10-2009 , 11:16 PM

JDLade

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Quote:

cant really fold anywhere here, except I expect you to run into qq - aa alot here. I think you see random bluffs and 99 - 1010 as much as you see qq - aa therefore its a call and if villain is super aggro it becomes even more of a call.

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TT wins against JJ on this board.
I fold the riv. you only beat a bluff. His range is tiny, if hes 16/14 overall hes prob even tighter UTG, wouldn't be suprised if his range was 88+ AQ+, and these type of players don't take a line like this with AQ, AK much

dunno about the other streets, I hate hands like this

11-10-2009 , 11:16 PM

AnonyOne

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnybeef

Villain has no idea that you have an overpair. Call river.

What else could I have other than overpairs and 78 or 67? Isn't his near-pot river bet kind of scary?

I'm behind villain's entire value range here, I have to put him on a 3-barrel bluff to call.

11-10-2009 , 11:25 PM

Gullanian

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This could be AT

11-10-2009 , 11:28 PM

AnonyOne

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullanian

This could be AT

Is ATs in a 16/14's UTG raising range? It's like the bottom of mine, and I'm quite a bit looser than that. Even if it was, villains river bet sizing makes no sense for AT unless he thinks I'm a big station.

11-10-2009 , 11:38 PM

cbboy

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he NEVER has AT here imo.

11-10-2009 , 11:58 PM

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RainbowBright

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16/14 UTG range has to be pretty tight right? river seems like a fold to me.

11-11-2009 , 12:11 AM

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lledney

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although your hand is pretty much face up as mid PP, i don't think you can asume that a 16/14 is trip bareling here. i'd give him credit until i have reads otherwise. he is not doing with with 88 and 99, so you beat a bluff. i'd fold river.

on the other side of it, do you guys think its a decent trip barel spot for villan with decent image?

11-11-2009 , 12:52 AM

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Gary_Neville

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lledney

on the other side of it, do you guys think its a decent trip barel spot for villan with decent image?

No because hero contains 100% made hands in his calling range on flop and turn, a lot of which he's not folding, and a lot of which he's trapping with (7x). A 16/14 Villain is NEVER triple barreling bluff here but its still sick because his value range is super thin on this board I would imagine. I am not so sure whether a 16/14 is capable of oversized vbetting QQ-AA on a ragged two pair board after getting called twice. Could 67s/A7s be part of a 16/14 UTG opening range?

11-11-2009 , 12:54 AM

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nchi

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river is an easy fold 16/14 is never 2 barreling with out a pair, onlly thing you beat is a bluff/ betting into that many villians = made hand

11-11-2009 , 01:42 AM

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Kevin8423

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Yeah I agree with a fold, his range for betting this turn and river is extremely strong and probably never a bluff.

11-11-2009 , 01:48 AM

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Bushleague24

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pretty simple fold.

11-11-2009 , 01:54 AM

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Gaszzzz

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you could shove the river

11-11-2009 , 01:58 AM

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Kevin8423

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaszzzz

you could shove the river

This is always an option though I'd much rather do it on like 9988x or something where he is more likely to give us credit.

11-11-2009 , 04:24 AM

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cs3

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villains range is super tight here... and i doubt hes turning 88/99 in to a bluff.
only bluffing hand he can have are AKss AQss and that exactly 2 combos, and villain probably rarely fires the third barrel with those.

11-11-2009 , 04:46 AM

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derekl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaszzzz

you could shove the river

Representing TT or quads is a pretty small range. Shoving river is not good at all imo.

11-11-2009 , 05:11 AM

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johnnybeef

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Just because he is 16/14 doesn't mean he is nitty postflop. Your hand looks a lot weaker than it is, and I don't think he's barrelling three streets here with AA-QQ. I suppose folding isn't terrible, but I hate the fact that we haven't indicated strength on any street. Come to think of it, I would love to see a min-raise on the turn and a check behind on the river

11-11-2009 , 05:59 AM

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orpz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaszzzz

you could shove the river

not enough behind imo. this is rly easy fold op, think u played it good

11-11-2009 , 06:21 AM

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PaperMache

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I think you need to take control of the hand pre flop by 3 betting, or folding when they play back at you. This will let you get away from your jacks at a minimal loss. OR you could take control on the flop by making a raise, folding if they play back at you, betting the turn, and checking the river.

11-11-2009 , 11:05 AM

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riverfish123

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I think preflop is still a 3bet. Yes, his range is tight, but not ROCK tight. You will see alot of 16/14's raise SCs UTG so it is possible he has 7x here for a fullboat.

What's his EP PFR %? That will tell you more about his tendencies. Alot of 16/14s at 100nl have no positional awareness at all and raise the same hands from every position....

With that said, I'd lean towards a fold here.

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