$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (CO): $101.50 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $103 (103 bb)
SB: $127.59 (127.6 bb)
BB: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $100 (100 bb)
MP: $106.62 (106.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
UTG raises to $3, MP folds, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, UTG raises $22, Hero ships

Reads: Villain is a good reg.

I like to shove AA here, what hands do you like to shove?

KK+, A4s-A5s

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Ah right, thanks. That's easy enough then.

If you want to have a 3bet range in these positions against good/balanced opponents (which is fine, but a choice still), then yes - AA should certainly be included and played like this.

Are you 3bet shoving all combos of A4s-A5s?

Yup, so we have a 60/40 value to bluff ratio

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I'm new to poker and would like to know why we pick A4s and A5s? Do we call with hands like QQ/JJ/AKs or why do we only allin with the top 12 hands and then 8 hands picked in the middle? Shouldn't we just pick the top 20 hands? Or why is A4s/A5s ranked so high in general?

Thanks

They are good 5bet bluff hands.

Yup we're flatting with those cuz they aren't strong enough to gii pre. We pick A5-A4s cuz they have enough equity versus villains value range.

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[QUOTE=Franchise804;42482458]Yup, so we have a 60/40 value to bluff ratio



I dont understand how you can just have this as a "go to range" vs an utg open?
We have now been 4-betted....
If UTG has a low 4-bet % (alot of players at this level from this position do) or if UTG has a low open % from this position then this range is suicide imo.
And can you ellaborate on how AK doesnt have enough value gii but A4s does?

[QUOTE=Mr.Position;42497058] We assume UTG opens 15% and defends optimally-never flatting OOP-with an appropriate mix of value 4bets and 4bet bluffs to make us indifferent to calling or folding. If we think villains 4bet range is nutted, which it often is, we can exploit this by never 5bet bluffing.

A5-A4s actually functions as a value hand because it makes straights and flushes more often than AK and has about 35% equity vs a range of AK, QQ+, which is less than AK. We will be getting a good enough price via fold equity plus our raw equity to make this a profitable shove, but only if villain is 4bet bluffing enough.



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Any opinions on replacing A4-5s from {KK+,A4s,A5s} with {KK+,45s,56s}?

I prefer 45s,56s because it is rarely dominated and has decent equity against multiple shoves.

I havent done the math but I assume the A4s, A5s might get us enough folds due to blockers that makes it better unless villains 4Bet range becomes wider..

i dont have a 5betting range vs utg ip but i can see merits in both

A5s-A4s has more raw equity versus villains value range, plain and simple. If villains UTG range was wider, we would add A3s to our 5betting range.

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Also, you really cannot overstate the blocker value and resulting fold equity.

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Good fold equity for the initial 3b but on the 5b makes it more likely we gii against a nutted range (assuming like most regs they 4b bluffs Ax)

I agree with the blocker argument to some extent. But a lot of ppl also 4b bluff AJ/AQ type stuff from UTG vs a 3b, and so A4s/A5s also blocks his 4b bluffing range.

This is where our raw equity versus villains value range makes up for that. We block the same number of combos in both villains value and bluffing range.

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See my above posts...if villain never 4bet bluff, we wouldn't be able to ship these hands for value.

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I'm trying to work out the math behind this. Is this line of reasoning right?

Against villian's range {66-KK} hero's range of {A4s-A5s} has about 35% pot equity (Ace + straight + flush)

Against villian's dominated ace range {A10-Ak} hero's range of {A4s-A5s} has about 28% pot equity {live card + straight + flush}

Against villian's bluffing range atc we have roughly 60% pot equity.

Combining these we get around 30-40% (approx) for A4s-A5s against villians bluff and value 4b range.

We need villian 10-20% fold equity to make the play profitable. So villian has to have a 4bet bluffing + value folds totaling at least 10-20%?

Is my reasoning and math right?

Well I'm at the gym atm so can't compute, but your assumptions about villains ranges are off. However, your logic is correct.

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you can see merits to having a 5b jam range 100bb deep? ****. you coach?



jam...unless he 4b's some silly amount

He was talking about a 5bet bluffing range, no? I can understand why he would not have one.

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yeh i dont have one. just jam your value range (sorry didnt know that was the original question, not what to do with AA).