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01-05-2010 , 09:09 AM

shark_fishin

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Villain was 18/16 over 375 hands. I think vs a reg here, i either have a worse draw and am gonna get flush over flushed, or i will get little to no value once i hit.

Ongame Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $93.25
BTN: $169.95
Hero (SB): $180.35
BB: $101.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 5

CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4.00) J

(4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.00, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero folds

01-05-2010 , 09:10 AM

CCM

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I lead the flop. As played I guess you can peel one.

01-05-2010 , 10:11 AM

AnonyOne

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I play this the same way, and I think your reasoning is good. You don't have odds to call here and your implied odds suck.

01-05-2010 , 10:14 AM

corsakh

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Lead for sure. The only reason not to lead is if you gonna c/r.

01-05-2010 , 10:24 AM

Jsw85

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Once you check I agree its best to c/f, but leading is def much better..you're going to pick up the pot so often, and when you do hit its easier to get some value.

01-05-2010 , 11:20 AM

shark_fishin

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Thank you all.
I never considered leading as it is a 4way pot, but i definately see how this could be +EV

01-05-2010 , 11:26 AM

TimothyVdp1

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why would u lead here?
u might get the freecard if it gets checked around and your range for leading value hands here is pretty narrow (22/AJ)
imo a c/r is better than a lead here since a lot of people will auto-cbet or take a stab on these boards and fold to aggression, also, checkraises don't get called as light as leads

01-05-2010 , 12:29 PM

shark_fishin

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Well it is a limped pot

01-05-2010 , 12:40 PM

BuddhaMonk187

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well i call here...

01-05-2010 , 01:10 PM

#10

shark_fishin

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Why?

01-05-2010 , 01:41 PM

#11

DruM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TimothyVdp1

why would u lead here?
u might get the freecard if it gets checked around and your range for leading value hands here is pretty narrow (22/AJ)

surely your value range when you c/r is just as narrow

you just bloat the pot oop and the turn will be tough to play when called.
leading is clearly the best play here

01-05-2010 , 02:19 PM

#12

Greco

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Always lead this, you can lead so many hands in limped pots, tp, gutters,oesd and fds. Very profitable

01-05-2010 , 02:31 PM

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TimothyVdp1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DruM

surely your value range when you c/r is just as narrow

you just bloat the pot oop and the turn will be tough to play when called.
leading is clearly the best play here

yes I agree my post wasn't the best :P

also didn't see that it was limped so indeed might be best to just lead here

01-05-2010 , 03:26 PM

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PardoG

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lead the flop, if you get multiple callers and the turn blanks, resign the hand...don't worry about running into a higher flush until you lead, get 3 calls and a heart hits.

01-05-2010 , 07:20 PM

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corsakh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shark_fishin

Thank you all.
I never considered leading as it is a 4way pot, but i definately see how this could be +EV

Its a 4 way limped pot that does not really hit limping range that well. I'd steal with a ton of trash from the BB.

01-05-2010 , 07:34 PM

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darkconcept

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i mean, since its a semi bluff and all, what better hands do you guys think fold to a lead?

01-05-2010 , 07:37 PM

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corsakh

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67o

01-05-2010 , 07:38 PM

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Jsw85

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Quote:

Originally Posted by darkconcept

i mean, since its a semi bluff and all, what better hands do you guys think fold to a lead?

7 high, 8 high, 9 high, t high, q high, k high, pair of 2's 33, 44 etc

01-05-2010 , 07:49 PM

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Curlee1987

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Quote:

Originally Posted by darkconcept

i mean, since its a semi bluff and all, what better hands do you guys think fold to a lead?

pretty much everything.

Agreed with leading here is best. If u get called, u can improve a ton of the time against some crappy A that plays passively and lets u get there

01-05-2010 , 08:33 PM

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rickrossDABOSS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by darkconcept

i mean, since its a semi bluff and all, what better hands do you guys think fold to a lead?

Agreed, a lead has to 3-barrel here to be +EV imo. I like c/c'ing, folding seems nitteh.

01-05-2010 , 08:38 PM

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Jsw85

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rickrossDABOSS

Agreed, a lead has to 3-barrel here to be +EV imo. I like c/c'ing, folding seems nitteh.

Well maybe if you want them to fold an ace but thats not what your trying to fold out by leading. And there limping range includes ton s of hands that miss this flop

01-05-2010 , 08:39 PM

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rickrossDABOSS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jsw85

Well maybe if you want them to fold an ace but thats not what your trying to fold out by leading. And there limping range includes ton s of hands that miss this flop

There are 3 players in the pot, they will all fold virtually 0% of the time. Any J is peeling, any ace is peeling, any draw is at least peeling, and fish with 5's are peeling.

Don't think immediate fold equity is very high at all.

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