This is the best play with no reads?
What about vs a guy who never folds to cbets, the maniacal type of rec player?

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

MP: $71.70
CO: $111.80
BTN: $79.01
SB: $35.33
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 2 7 J (2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($19.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.00, Hero folds

Easy fold IMO.

Against a guy who never folds to cbets, I would rather double barrel a floater.

easy c/f. Vs someone who never folds to cbet, cbetting is probably not
the best idea in the first place. If you still do it this is probably a good
spot c/c, depends of course also on vill vbetting tendencies.

Ok thnx. I think we are far ahead of the 53/25 aggro types range on flop though, do u think they will call with worse Ahi and check it down? or u just think we won't get to showdown enough and best to just c/f flop?

They probably call with worse A high, though i am not so sure if they check
it down. Usually those types of players just bet when you show weakness
at some point of the hand, and not really about your range and sd values.

I'd like more advice in this hand from good regs since this is a spot I encounter a a lot.

• b amd c/f turn seems the worse line since you're gonna be burning money against this villain who will as MalxomX23 said.
• What about 3barreling here w or w/o pair? They tend to be agressive with weakness and fold the weakest pairs to 3barrels.

Any other?

Cbet and cbet bigger with no reads, like $7.50-$8.50

Vs someone who doesn't fold to cbets, I'd look at other stats. Presuming I have enough stats to understand he never folds to c-bets, I'd look at other stats. Once I did that I'd decide. If I did decide to bet flop, then I 'd have to bet turn as well no matter the card.

So let's say you find this aggro villains (in my notes I call them weakness bettors ) with around 40% vpip. What you've seen and his AF (even with a small sample size) makes you suspect he's this one type of players. But you still haven't enough information to know if he falls to double barrel or he raises with air and so on. -> c/f flop with Ahigh?

Let's say we know he almost never folds to a double barrel but we've seen him folding on the river, do you barrel till the river?

By the way what stats do you usually look against this particular opponent? Cbet fold basically? Others.

Thanks.

ty for replying

Hmm, i was quite confident he wasn't a reg when i played the hand. I normally cbet this size when bluffing against recreational players, because they tend to fold to a bet if they haven't hit and not rly care about the sizing(unless i make it super small). Is this a mistake? because i remember him folding once or twice when i had a hand and made the cbet larger.

After id got around 15 hands on the guy i think he had min check-raised me twice on dryish boards, and floated once and his fold to cbet was showing up about 30%-40% which is on the low side. He was opening a ton of hands from all possitions, he just seemed very aggro pre-flop and post-flop. I just wondered what the best line was since c/fing flop didn't seem right when we beat so much of his range on a dry flop like this.

Well if he never folds to cbets and then his turn cbet stat is the first thing along with AF street by street.

Cbet this size IP if OK, imo, OOP it is not. So basically I will cbet less when I am OOP, but I will cbet stronger when I do.

im atleast doubling this board vs pretty much anyone, theres a lot of gutters etc or weak underpairs they are going to peal with, plus we have opened the gun so i expect qj/kj to fold by the river vs anyone that isnt a fish

Against this villain, this hand is rather well played imo. He's heavily weighted towards a J on the turn ime, maybe a 7 but that's almost the same to you anyway.

Another line would be to bet flop XR turn and jam rivers as his range for betting the turn is pretty weak. Obv we would have to start including some of our value hands in here, but against this type of villain it seems like the most optimal line to take for both parts of our range.

- against a standard reg, it really depends on their turn betting tendencies IMHO. There should be nothing standard about your line in this spot, or you're throwing away equity.*
Put the following hands into his line:
88
JQs
9T
78
AQ


Unless his ftcb is very high, you should expect to get floated by all of these holdings (and similar ones represented by the hands listed, as there is a ton of equivilency here for him).*

Assuming you have a pretty tight pfr utg, he probably assumes you have exactly what you have, a mid PP, or are taking a stack-a-donk line here.*
The stack-a-donk has a HUGE impact on reg's ranges in this spots, in the sense that many stop balancing because they are afraid to valuebet almost any one pair hand here...
Given we either have him crushed or are most likely folding, if he's floating a wide range here (which he should be) and checking back all his one pair hands thinking his only value comes on the river, his range is absolutely polarized here. If he checks back Jx, his PPs, and his 7x hands here, but bets his gutshots and complete airballs, you should actually CC this turn.*

Of course, this isn't true about all regs. But it is a very common leak that you should be exploiting. See how often he is floating and track how thin people valuebet.*

Also note that 2-barreling against that villain is the worst possible line you can take.*

Obviously, this isn't 100% accurate against almost anyone, and he still has a strong equity here. Also, think about his range betting the river on different rivers. Most villains are going to become extremely polarized, checking back anything but 2pair+ when the river is even a terrible card...say a T.*

Obviously, you have to watch your villains closely for this, but it's a spot where regs make compounded mistakes with their ranges, which is $ for you.*

As for against villains that never fold to a cbet on a dry board, it depends on their vpip. The higher it is, the more dominated hands they have in their range. You should consider your cbet to be a valuebet against a high vpip. Against a low vpip, but a guy that will float here with any PP, you should be throwing barrels like donkey kong, because he's going to have a middling PP with only 2 redraws against what we represent. Against the loose station mentioned before, you have to realize that, despite it being a dry board, he has a ton of Ahigh, gutshots, two overs...I mean, everything has some weak reason to continue. Some of those hands are dominated, some still have 10 outs, few are strong enough for a station to feel like valuebetting the turn with.*

Hope that helps, and all IMHO.*

Ps. As for what CCing turn does to our range here against a reg...well, it might actually be optimal against a smart, laggy player who's misplay is polarizing his range here to CC turn with our overpairs. This is assuming he is folding Jx to 2 barrels, checking pairs back for pot control and betting with air/gutshots/backdoored draws and with monsters. We are set up really nice to get a second street of value against his one pair hands, induce a ton of bluffs and don't allow him to play perfectly by CRAI against a polarized range.

Also note: against fish, just bet bet bet your value hands. Balance doesn't matter.

He bets because hero checked. It's irrelevant if he has a J or any pair for that matter.

I disagree. It's super villain dependent. He may ONLY bet with a J, and he may only bet without a jack. He also may bet with all his small PPs, as he feels they are vulnerable, but then CHECK a jack...a lot of players have this strange mindset. Either way, some people are only checking value and betting air and monsters. Others are checking back clear equity, betting air, monsters and very weak value.

Most players can be classified pretty easily in one of those ways, and it sort of allows you to play perfectly sometimes.