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100nl. KK. River play?

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11-06-2009 , 01:46 AM

cbboy

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,655

UTG is 20/16/2. He is a reg.
CO is a fish.

What is your play on the river here? Bet like 2/3 pot for value? Overbet shove? c/r?

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CO: $31.20
BTN: $98.50
Hero (SB): $300.65
BB: $83.50
UTG: $106.10

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K

UTG raises to $3, CO calls $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, UTG calls $11, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.00) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $16, UTG calls $16

Turn: ($64.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($64.00) K

(2 players)
Hero...

11-06-2009 , 01:49 AM

cs3

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13,684

jsut bet like 50. hes gonna shove AK/AJ/JJ anyway and he prob checks back QQ/TT so i dont like a ch/r.
Not sure if he bets with AQ when checked to but i doubt he calls a shove with it either way, and he prob cant find a fold with it if you bet anything less than pot.

11-06-2009 , 01:51 AM

cbboy

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Do you think that he bets the river himself with any Ace?

11-06-2009 , 01:52 AM

Lemay002

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Value bet > shove > c/r

He is really likely to check back river thinking that he might be behind with his kicker, he is always checking back with PP. I don't think he is ever bluffing, since there are no draws on flop.

The shove is pretty close to the value bet, your line is so weak that he could call you with a-x. Value bet is the best option imo since we don't really know what he has, my guess is that he is making some pot control on the turn and that he is not calling a shove, so I'd bet ~2/3 to 3/4 the pot on the river

11-06-2009 , 01:54 AM

SykoraG

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I think I bet like 43-46

11-06-2009 , 01:56 AM

cs3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cbboy

Do you think that he bets the river himself with any Ace?

i dont think many Ax are in his range. i think its only AK AQ and AJ. AK/AJ are going to get it no matter what line you take.
AQ probably does bet, but doubt it calls a ch/r. and you lose a ton of value vs the rest of his range by going for a ch/r

11-06-2009 , 01:59 AM

cbboy

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Yeah, I agree. I was thinking that I could get him to bet something like AQ and I could c/r. I just thought about it too much and tried to be fancy. he checked back JT btw. So he probably wasnt calling a bet anyway.

11-06-2009 , 02:25 AM

SteamArtist

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 48

overbetshove is fine also.. he can't put you on AK, because you haven't barreld the turn so you hand isnt reppd..

11-06-2009 , 03:50 AM

lootbag

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definetly bet. the only hand you are c/ring here is aq

11-06-2009 , 03:53 AM

#10

waow

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all of it

11-06-2009 , 03:59 AM

#11

gateswi

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I would shove

11-06-2009 , 04:09 AM

#12

Buff Disciple

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Normally I like the c/r here, but because of board texture he isn't betting any ace other than AK given action, and any hand he'd consider betting he'd call a shove w/.

11-06-2009 , 04:15 AM

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Helocrime

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Shove it.

11-06-2009 , 11:41 AM

#14

nitsanper

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shove=miss value!!!
bet 44/callllllll

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