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12-08-2008 , 07:35 AM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($107)
BB ($119)
UTG ($102)
UTG+1 ($169)
CO ($238)
BTN ($118)

Dealt to Hero KK

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $4, Hero raises to $13, fold, BTN calls $9,

FLOP ($27) 28K

Hero ?


Villain is a TAG.

I slowplay very rarely but on such a dry flop, I thought for a while about what to do.
12-08-2008 , 07:45 AM
depends on how he perceives your range. if he sees your range as JJ+, AK - check and rep JJ and QQ. if he sees your range as wider than that, c-bet and get called by 99-QQ. if he sees your range as very very wide, c-bet and get shoved over by air.
12-08-2008 , 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigsaws
depends on how he perceives your range. if he sees your range as JJ+, AK - check and rep JJ and QQ. if he sees your range as wider than that, c-bet and get called by 99-QQ. if he sees your range as very very wide, c-bet and get shoved over by air.
this is about it, yes
12-08-2008 , 08:48 AM
Unless villain is bluffy i'd bet all day.

If he has 22-JJ excluding the flopped sets then he is just going to be checking down behind you anyway and if you bet you will probably get at least 1 barrel of value of a hand like 1010.
12-08-2008 , 10:38 AM
Unless you have reason to think villian is going to bet when checked to, you are better off cbetting and hoping he has something he is willing to continue with.

Otherwise, you are checking with the intention of letting him "catch up." There aren't many cards that could land the turn where villian is going to be putting more money in the pot.

Had the flop been 28Tr or something similar, the flop check would be mandatory.
12-08-2008 , 10:56 AM
you are cbetting this flop no matter what your cards are so your range is very wide.
12-08-2008 , 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamsym
Unless villain is bluffy i'd bet all day.
This makes no sense at all.

If villain is bluffy it's reason to bet.
12-08-2008 , 12:37 PM
Check you're very likely to fold out midpairs and A high which are the big majority of his range.

Bet turn smallish
12-08-2008 , 12:46 PM
When you check flop your range is anything, since propably you are c-betting a flop like that a ton.
When you check flop your range is monster or sd value hand.
If I check flop, I think I check turn too, but oop its not good.
12-08-2008 , 12:55 PM
bet and agree about slowplaying. its weak and won't make too much money in the long run. need to build pots, especially OOP. helps with meta, people might spazz, floating is common. this situations come up too often in cash, no real reason to slowplay in general vs unknowns.

you are betting this flop close to 100% of the time. i just saw that this is 3bet pre so don't even think about it. have you 3bet him light before?


sps,
if you check flop, you check turn. you must hate money.
12-08-2008 , 01:00 PM
bet 14, simple as that
12-08-2008 , 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigsaws
depends on how he perceives your range. if he sees your range as JJ+, AK - check and rep JJ and QQ. if he sees your range as wider than that, c-bet and get called by 99-QQ. if he sees your range as very very wide, c-bet and get shoved over by air.
I like this, barring a read, I think checking is better.
12-08-2008 , 01:05 PM
check
12-08-2008 , 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by craiggerz
This makes no sense at all.

If villain is bluffy it's reason to bet.
it depends. If he's bluffy but good, when you check this flop it's never to c/fold and he should know that. If he's bluffy/can't read hands/bad then checking and hoping he goes ******ed is fine.
12-08-2008 , 01:29 PM
Quote:
f he has 22-JJ excluding the flopped sets then he is just going to be checking down behind you anyway and if you bet you will probably get at least 1 barrel of value of a hand like 1010.
if you check the flop you give yourself a chance to get 2 streets of value from these hands
12-08-2008 , 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by craiggerz
This makes no sense at all.

If villain is bluffy it's reason to bet.
Wrong. If villian is bluffy, we want to encourage him to bluff as much as we can get away with.
12-08-2008 , 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panthro
it depends. If he's bluffy but good, when you check this flop it's never to c/fold and he should know that. If he's bluffy/can't read hands/bad then checking and hoping he goes ******ed is fine.
It's a very solid point, but OP stated he's a vanilla tag...

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimmyBeats
Wrong. If villian is bluffy, we want to encourage him to bluff as much as we can get away with.
**sigh**
12-08-2008 , 03:55 PM
Villain expects us to fire almost always on this flop so there's no reason not to. Lots of pp's peel this flop as well as some A high hands plus floats. I like bet flop, c/r turn if he bets if he checks turn then fire 3/4 psb on river. EZ game
12-08-2008 , 04:44 PM
check, give him a chance to get a hand
Since there are no draws it makes it an even easier check.
12-08-2008 , 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigsaws
depends on how he perceives your range. if he sees your range as JJ+, AK - check and rep JJ and QQ. if he sees your range as wider than that, c-bet and get called by 99-QQ. if he sees your range as very very wide, c-bet and get shoved over by air.
nailed it

      
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