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12-04-2012 , 06:16 PM
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

CO: $98.36 (98.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $226.46 (226.5 bb)
SB: $103.18 (103.2 bb)
BB: $102.16 (102.2 bb)
UTG: $40 (40 bb)
MP: $101.25 (101.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 J
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

Flop: ($7) 8 J 5 (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($17) J (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero?

River: ($33) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $19, Hero?

Villain was 28/17 over small sample, he posted OOP when he joined the table. Only hand he showed down was 33 which he limped MP and checked it down on J75r As A.
12-04-2012 , 06:45 PM
call fast
12-04-2012 , 07:03 PM
snap call and be really happy about it. 9T and all draws bricked and he could potentially have air in his range.
12-04-2012 , 10:29 PM
Off why do you raise 3x on the BTN? I used to do that but am now starting to do just 2x. It has lots of advantages:

- you need less folds for your steal to be profitable
- people tend to give up a little faster because the pot is pretty small
- You are deeper in 3bet pots. Advantage for the player in position
12-04-2012 , 10:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by harrygehakt
Off why do you raise 3x on the BTN? I used to do that but am now starting to do just 2x. It has lots of advantages:

- you need less folds for your steal to be profitable
- people tend to give up a little faster because the pot is pretty small
- You are deeper in 3bet pots. Advantage for the player in position
Or you could limp your entire range, thus forcing the blinds to play OOP.
12-04-2012 , 10:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by harrygehakt
Off why do you raise 3x on the BTN? I used to do that but am now starting to do just 2x. It has lots of advantages:

- you need less folds for your steal to be profitable
- people tend to give up a little faster because the pot is pretty small
- You are deeper in 3bet pots. Advantage for the player in position
You should be opening larger when there's a fish in the blinds.
12-05-2012 , 12:23 AM
3-4x raise on button and semi tighter opening range with fish in blinds. Super nits do 2x, semi aggressive players in blinds do 2.5x.............profit?
12-05-2012 , 08:13 AM
Thnx for replys.
I've been wondering about the fact that 2.5x needs to work 62.5% of the time, but nrly all the regs i see have under 84% fold SB and 74% fold BB to BT steal. .84 * .74 = 62% fold, and they all 3bet me more than stats say(K9o ect..) because im a reg, so have a folding range. I don't often get an opportunity to open wider than 40% OTB, as everyone seems to be a lag in the blinds these days, atleast at stars anyway..
Especially the short stack regs, they tend to have 20% 3bet from blinds and something rediculous like 55% fold BB to steal, i mean what's the point of that?

As for the hand, I was thinking about shoving river because i imagined he had a bunch of second pair type hands, so i wondered if i missed value.
12-05-2012 , 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shark_fishin
Thnx for replys.
I've been wondering about the fact that 2.5x needs to work 62.5% of the time, but nrly all the regs i see have under 84% fold SB and 74% fold BB to BT steal. .84 * .74 = 62% fold, and they all 3bet me more than stats say(K9o ect..) because im a reg, so have a folding range. I don't often get an opportunity to open wider than 40% OTB, as everyone seems to be a lag in the blinds these days, atleast at stars anyway..
Especially the short stack regs, they tend to have 20% 3bet from blinds and something rediculous like 55% fold BB to steal, i mean what's the point of that?

As for the hand, I was thinking about shoving river because i imagined he had a bunch of second pair type hands, so i wondered if i missed value.
Calling is fine.
12-05-2012 , 10:58 AM
Hmm interesting. I am playing lots of zoom at the moment. I used to open 3x everywhere except the BTN 2,5x.
After watching some vids (Dintyo, Gripsed, Aejones) playing zoom they all tend to raise just 2x.
My opening range on the BTN is about 45-50%. Plenty of fish at the tables.

Would you make it 2x, 2.5x or 3x on the BTN?
12-05-2012 , 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by harrygehakt
Hmm interesting. I am playing lots of zoom at the moment. I used to open 3x everywhere except the BTN 2,5x.
After watching some vids (Dintyo, Gripsed, Aejones) playing zoom they all tend to raise just 2x.
My opening range on the BTN is about 45-50%. Plenty of fish at the tables.

Would you make it 2x, 2.5x or 3x on the BTN?
It's not about having a static raise size all the time, it's about adjusting it based on who is in the blinds.
12-05-2012 , 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by harrygehakt
Hmm interesting. I am playing lots of zoom at the moment. I used to open 3x everywhere except the BTN 2,5x.
After watching some vids (Dintyo, Gripsed, Aejones) playing zoom they all tend to raise just 2x.
My opening range on the BTN is about 45-50%. Plenty of fish at the tables.

Would you make it 2x, 2.5x or 3x on the BTN?
Normally 3x if rec player in blind, 2.5x if regs in blinds, 2x if one is a short stack reg. If im feeling particularly adventurous ill keep increasing my opening size if the rec player is calling a lot and the other blind isn't 3betting a lot, but often im too lazy/don't have enough concentration.
12-05-2012 , 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shark_fishin
Normally 3x if rec player in blind, 2.5x if regs in blinds, 2x if one is a short stack reg. If im feeling particularly adventurous ill keep increasing my opening size if the rec player is calling a lot and the other blind isn't 3betting a lot, but often im too lazy/don't have enough concentration.
Yeah that makes sense. I have the same hard to concentrate on those details. I am gonna try though
12-05-2012 , 02:53 PM
Without more information, raising seems a little bit thin. I'd probably just call.

      
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