Villain :- 23/21/11.1 AGFq 3.1 371 hands

Hero:- 22/19

Can we discuss the the flop, turn and river please, thanks

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($23.90)
Button ($108.95)
SB ($99.05)
BB ($124.45)
Hero (UTG) ($134.65)
MP ($20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, A
Hero bets $3, 2 folds, Button calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) K, 7, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.05, Button raises to $15, Hero calls $8.95

Turn: ($37.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $22, Hero ?

River: ($81.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $68.95 (All-In), Hero ?[b]

If you are going to call the flop you have to make some kind of play at the pot on the turn. I think bet 2/3 fold.

Im bet folding flop, check folding turn and river.

Bet/Fold flop
Check/Fold turn
Check/Fold river.

lol

so what's his value range on the flop?

what hands does he have in his range that he can raise this flop and bet-shove turn and river...

...I think bet folding this flop is very very exploitable no?

doesnt matter at 100nl. if he has a really high raise cbet stat you can mnake a move (not check/calling obv.) on the turn and river

Then call the flop and make a play on the turn...

I dont see it as real exploitable because you'll be able to get value out of your big hands if you show the ability to lay down a cbet, in the end you're sitting here with AJ, do you want someone to tell you this is a great place to pick off a bluff with A hi. Im confused

Why bet? If I 'make a move' I'm probably bluffing with the best hand where instead I can call down with the best hand and win more BB's.

He has to be bluff raising this flop quite a lot compared to his tiny value range...

Thing is, if you think hero has the best hand a decent amount of the time, why not just call down? Villain is repping a really tiny range of hands -- basically quads or a boat.

If I got this far I'd never fold on the blankest river possible.

I see some merit in this line of thinking, just seems like too high of variance style of play for my liking.

What an arsey comment. I'm not asking for praise, you don't even know how the hand ended you moron so don't get clever.

All I'm asking for is a decent response at to how to play this hand because I have just moved up and want to get comfortable at this level...is that okay sir?

It's probably very high variance, but if you're going to call down with A high, this is a pretty perfect board texture to do it on.

THANKYOU for the decently thought out response. That was my exact thinking during the hand.

I don't get annoyed when people make responses to my posts that actually explain the theory behind their decision but when someone replies 'b/f c/f c/f' it annoys the hell out of me. Are we not here to learn?

True

Sorry. You are right. I was only putting what my standard line would be. I should explain my thought process more.

Well when you're first response to someones advice is 'lol' dont expect some polite response.

After reviewing the hand and possible hand ranges specifically what an 11 3bet% would be reraising you with pre flop. I can see where you are coming from and it seems like a pretty bluffy line, its just a pretty high variance move. Im not sold that he is sticking it in with air here enough to make this profitable (including the times he is bluffing with the best hand), probably because I get bluffed off of my A hi here everytime.

I lol'd because the response didn't really tell me anything...

and I might have mis-read this response, but he hasn't 3-bet pre. So we don't get too much info from the 3bet stat.

I realise it's high variance but I'm just wondering whether it's +EV to call or fold and how the line is in general. Cheers guys.

Well with a 11.1% 3 bet you know hes reraising 88-QQ AK KQ KJ etc pre which would leave a huge portion of hands that beat you out of his range. It would isolate pretty much oddly played Kx and small PPs that now are turned into bluffs, and any number of air hands which would actually make me inclined to call this down the more I look at it.

It's a tiny sample so we can't take much info. from the 3bet% imo. I also don't agree that he's 3betting a UTG raiser with KQ/KJ...but yeh I agrre with the made hands turned into bluffs comment, my main concern was a spp turned into a bwuff but figured that's only a small proportion of his range.

An interesting part of the hand I found was his turn barrel, it's not a great card for him to barrel his air with

haha yeah, im getting into my own head on this one which is probably why i go back to my original thought and find a better spot and just bet fold flop like a pussy.

his flop value raising range is narrow but we have ace high and are oop without any major reads so just fold.

unexploitablilty is the most interesting way to earn the least money


if u think he is full of b.s. then 3b flop to $36

+1, it has taken me a long time and a decent chunk of my winrate to figure out to stop trying to do crap like this without solid information. Look through your database and find all the hands like this and see if you're profiting - ill save you the trouble, your not.

People at 100 do stupid ****, period, if he wants to raise your cbet when youre utg, then barrel you on a terrible board to barrel, then ****** let him and when you have a hand you can call down with (a significant portion of your opening range) stack him.

fold flop, your UTG so he wont bluffraise that much, and your basically at the very bottom of your range, if u call down with AJ here you are calling down with every hand in your range?

even if you right on the flop, you still have to play the turn and river OOP and probably wont be able to profitably.

we can make these 'light' calldowns with much stronger parts of our range and still wont be exploitable.

It's somewhat ironic that the reason you want to make this random calldown is that you're worried about being exploited. Ever stopped to consider that making close to readless hero calls for full stacks with A high when villain doesn't rep many normal hands might also be a little bit exploitable?

Hmmm...this is weird :S I kind of thought this was like the perfect kind of board texture to call down with A high.

I can see where everyone is coming from and won't make such readless call downs in the future. I don't agree with 3-betting the flop though...WTF are we repping...we just fold out all worse hands. The general feeling I'm getting is that I should fold the flop but I definately don't agree with this, what do you guys think?

What do you do with pocket tens in this spot?

And yes obv. me calling down light is exploitable in this situation but my opponents were also readless since I have only just moved up...plus this situation doesn't come down often