Villain is 18.5/15/2.33; cbet flop = 80%; turn cbet = 42%; river cbet = 0% OVER 1135 hands.


Hand look good so far?

Who likes bluffing the river here?



Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $100.00
CO: $135.95
Hero (BTN): $154.10
SB: $190.45
BB: $256.05

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 6 5
UTG raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.00) 4 J 9 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7, BB calls $7

Turn: ($29.00) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $19, Hero calls $19, BB folds

River: ($65.50) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ??? ($71 left)

I could see pushing river if villain is decent.

i think ur hand is face up and u will get looked lighter

i'd check

cant win the pot by checking

Seems to me like a spot where it's a bit too easy for him to put you on what you have. Also if he got to the river with air you would expect him to go ahead and bet that card a fair amount of the time.

Amoeba, why do you advocate shoving 'if villain is decent' in particular?

QT hit. I could have KJ. Those are the obvious ones I could have made particularly if they were suited.


Though it is true I could end up with some missed spades here. And it is a bit less likely I don't raise a set on the flop though I think the BB was a bit of a fish who I may not have wanted to force out. Ah raise is probably still expected though.

And perhaps a number of suited connectors have combo draws on the flop and perhaps would have been raised there.

Not too bad of a spot I would go with it and shove.

ok lets put villian on a reasonable range for opening UTG and CB flop and turn and checking this river, i think we can assume his flop and turn are heavily weighted towards value range as if he was bluffing he's surely fire the river.

I'd say his range on the river something like AJ, QQ, if he even opens AJ UTG maybe maybe TT occasionally but i doubt it,

i think he also checks big hands on the river occasionally also in hopes of u firing on ur missed spades... don't know if u agree with that but i think he is capable of c/c the river with huge hands

I think if u shove u 'd get snap called by a lot of his bluff catchers and huge hands, I think the only hand u fold out that got to the river this way is QJ don't think that is in his range too often, TT also don't know how often he gets there like this,


anyways i was just rambling i hope i make sense

His range doesn't really matter, except the part that he probably doesn't check a monster very often on the river. I think we can even rep KQ (barely) because it's only a PSB. Definitely QT and KJ too.

Obv, this is a spot where you image is really important. Nothing wrong with checking back if you've been very active, won pots without showdown against villain or got caught bluffing. But with a clean image it should be very +EV.

edit: 0% river cb def makes me less inclined to bluff. If it's 0/15 OOP or something like that, I might check back as default.

+1

Your hand looks exactly like a draw and if he's decent, it's likely he's checking the river to induce a bluff from a missed draw.

You're repping a very narrow range by pushing the river - pretty much just QT

y does his range not matter? i mean we want to know what his range is on the river to see if we can bluff him off that range.

i knew some people wouldn't agree with me on him checking back made hands on the river to induce but i def. think if he is good he will be doing that occasionally, however i do agree that if u try to bluff u better have a clean image.

Hmmm... didn't notice this - what's up with the river cbet = 0%?

He like never bets his hands for value on river when he's the original raiser?

If that's really the case I'd check pretty much check back always, this guy has to check-call incredible amount.

What I mean is that he probably realizes if he has a bluffcatcher and plays it accordingly. So the only question is how often he has a hand that beats some of our perceived value hands and how often he has a hand that can't even call a bluff. What his bluffcatching range looks like shouldn't really matter (and probably doesn't in practice either)

awww ok gotch ya,

u put his range on the river solely on bluff catchers, as i think he'll check made hands to induce occasionally.

hey man when this thread dies can i have some results this thread is pretty interesting

later i'm off to bed will check on this thread tomorrow

Ah I don't know what the sample size is on that. It could be like 0 for 4. I know how to look at that on my HUD but I don't know how to see it in HEM.

oops didn't see there it was 3way on turn.. heads-up this is a pretty easy raise-call on the turn but as far as the comment about shoving riv if villain is good.. we can't ever be expected to have QT when we flat the turn with someone left to act.

Use the hand replayer with player stats on.

Do you ever have an actual value hand that you raise on this turn?

And why can't we have QT when we flat this turn with someone left behind especially a less than par player.

not rly cause every value hand you have should be raising this drawy flop unless you have a specific read that BB will c/r here very often.

you gave us no read about BB so I assumed somewhat competent given he has 100+BB in the hand.