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100nl: Fold full house on river? 100nl: Fold full house on river?

10-19-2009 , 12:05 AM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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Hero (SB): $145.85
BB: $100.00
UTG: $56.25
UTG+1: $112.90
MP1: $130.85
MP2: $130.00
CO: $91.75
BTN: $228.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 9 9
6 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) K T 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($12.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BB calls $10

River: ($32.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $22, BB raises to $84 all in, Hero?

Villian is 13/10 over 900 hands. Solid TAG. Fold river? Or check river?
10-19-2009 , 12:11 AM
Snap call
10-19-2009 , 12:27 AM
c/f
10-19-2009 , 12:27 AM
call
10-19-2009 , 12:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by n4rf
c/f
what? why?
10-19-2009 , 12:38 AM
i'm talking about the turn
10-19-2009 , 12:47 AM
n4rf i love your wisdoma and all but why are we check folding this turn?
10-19-2009 , 12:49 AM
yeah i dunno this is bet, bet, bet/call to me
10-19-2009 , 12:51 AM
I think fold here is fine
10-19-2009 , 12:53 AM
maybe look at the hand again? i think hes betting/calling more than KT/KK
10-19-2009 , 12:53 AM
nvm, I was being sarcastic for some reason because OP asked if he should check river

anyways I think river is closer than most people think. So OP, if you think villain is capable of jamming Jx or AJ here, then it's a call. If not, then it looks more like a fold tbh

and he obviously isn't a solid tag, more like a solid nit


edit: it's a fold because I really cant ever see him jamming worse. not even a nit is jamming Jx here for stacks on river. this is a boat always and considering you have the lowest boat, folddddd. Yes, WE HAS A BOAT, but that's like saying we have 2pair on a board where we beat nothing but pure air. So having Jx here is almost the same as having 99, would you fold QJ?

Last edited by n4rf; 10-19-2009 at 01:02 AM.
10-19-2009 , 03:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by n4rf
nvm, I was being sarcastic for some reason because OP asked if he should check river

anyways I think river is closer than most people think. So OP, if you think villain is capable of jamming Jx or AJ here, then it's a call. If not, then it looks more like a fold tbh

and he obviously isn't a solid tag, more like a solid nit


edit: it's a fold because I really cant ever see him jamming worse. not even a nit is jamming Jx here for stacks on river. this is a boat always and considering you have the lowest boat, folddddd. Yes, WE HAS A BOAT, but that's like saying we have 2pair on a board where we beat nothing but pure air. So having Jx here is almost the same as having 99, would you fold QJ?

agree with this logic strongly and lol at people who didn't understand his joke about check folding turn.... wtf people comn.
10-19-2009 , 03:25 AM
I think that someone this tight is likely not considering his image when shoving here and I do think he shoves AJ or maybe even Jx.

That said this is still close and a puke spot for sure.

Last edited by Kardnel; 10-19-2009 at 03:40 AM.
10-19-2009 , 03:28 AM
wtf snap call
10-19-2009 , 03:43 AM
Depends on his River AF and imo more interested in his 3bet preflop + have you ever seen him NOT 3bet KK or QQ preflop ?

Even a 13/10 dude does wierd things.

Preflop calling range from a so tight player dosent include 109, Q10, K10.

So he is repping KK, QQ, JJ, 1010, AJs


KK: Makes sense from a nit like him, floppet topset and slowplaying, turned FH and slow playing again and now jams river. Only thing is here would a nit like him really flat KK preflop?? key question

QQ: I dont believe he would be sticking around with QQ after 2 barrels - but maybe.

1010: Makes sense preflop, flop, turn and river. But does he really have Quads??

AJ or JJ: Well have you ever seen him chanse inside str8 or call down with second pair?? Dosent sound like the standard play from a nittish player like him. Only AJ hans i can see him play is AJ diamonds.

Call or Fold - hmmm my decision would come down to his W$SD stats since you have a decent sample on him.

But i cant see him doing this with AJ - something tells me he is to nittish, so prolly a fold from my side.
10-19-2009 , 04:15 AM
FR peeps are nits this is probably a standard fold to the FR forum
10-19-2009 , 04:23 AM
lol at folding. Im calling here and feeling pretty happy about it.
10-19-2009 , 04:49 AM
Bet more on the flop

but I would fold river. I can't see him bluffing/value-betting worse very often at all
10-19-2009 , 05:10 AM
even nits 3bet KK/QQ preflop and they don't call QQ on turn imo so this is a snapcall to me,
only a couple hands beat us and I don't really think KT is in his pf calling range so that leaves maybe T9s and TT for quads.

He probably has AJ/Jx here and thinks he's valueshoving but actually he's turning his hand into a bluff because nothing worse would call there
10-19-2009 , 05:40 AM
We lose to TT, T9, QT, KT. KK/QQ are small enough parts of his range with the action that you can ignore them. So let's say he just calls with Jx and shoves AJ- I really don't understand how you can expect even a tighter player to not shove AJ most of the time here BvB. He may fold AJ on the turn sometimes as well... so say we give him 50% of combos of AJ, and 100% of T9, QT, KT, and TT (which is on the pessimistic side, as he's probably folding some of those hands preflop).

AJ: 8 combos.

T9 + QT + KT + TT = 2 + 6 + 6 + 1 = 15 combos.

We win 8/23 times he shoves the river, so we have 34.8% equity.

We have to call 62 to win (84+22+32), so we're getting 138:62 and we need 31% equity to make a river call breakeven.

So yes of course if you think he never shoves AJ it's an easy fold... to me it's just silly to think you can say that with any degree of confidence when it's BvB and only 100 BB.
10-19-2009 , 05:46 AM
AJ is actually only one combo (AdJd), as I wouldnt assume a nit to call 2 streets with a gutshot oop.
10-19-2009 , 05:49 AM
I kinda think it actually might be a fold. Close at least.
10-19-2009 , 05:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neaera
AJ is actually only one combo (AdJd), as I wouldnt assume a nit to call 2 streets with a gutshot oop.
Villain is IP. How do you know he won't call the turn with A hi and a gutter? I agree that he probably folds it some % and discounted it some, but I don't see how you can just "assume" he always folds it on the turn.

Also OP, your flop cbet needs to be bigger. You has a set and there are loads of worse hands that even a nit can have and give you some action with.
10-19-2009 , 06:59 AM
wtf is this ****
10-19-2009 , 07:00 AM
did you people notice we have a BOAT and beat all straights.

      
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